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Why are corporations so cold-hearted?

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From page A8 | August 04, 2014 |

This week’s column is obviously a continuation on the thread of the last one, “Why are Republicans so cold-hearted?”

Since one third of Solano County voters are registered Republican, I expected someone to jump to their defense with a passionate, well-researched letter to the Daily Republic editor. Alas, even though I received more than my usual amount of hateful emails and one letter was published here, nobody even tried to contradict my main point, that Republicans are cold-hearted.

Apparently, Republicans being cold-hearted is a universally accepted fact, so let’s move the conversation forward and talk about why corporations are so cold-hearted.

“But,” you might say, “corporations are inanimate legal constructs, how can they be cold-hearted?” Well, according to the conservative justices on the U.S. Supreme Court, corporations are not only people, they have religious beliefs, and money is how they speak. But are they cold-hearted?

Corporations are money-making machines. When people get together and form a corporation, they are typically not doing so to make the world a better place to live, but rather, they are joining forces in order to make money. Private corporations can do whatever the owner wants to do. They can invest all their money in cute, cuddly kittens if they want, but executives of publicly traded corporations are saddled with the prime fiduciary responsibility of making their shareholders as much money as possible.

Many business writers have argued that corporations are not immoral, but rather, amoral. I would refine that by saying in the moral framework of the corporation, the concept of good and evil is simply replaced by profit and loss. Thus, according to Gordon Gekko, greed is good.

We all bear witness to the unparalleled exodus of American jobs to foreign lands as American corporations seek ever-higher profits for their shareholders. The American worker has been degraded from a valuable corporate “asset,” to a “work-unit,” to a disposable, easily replaceable cog in the machine. The two-way street of your grandfather’s corporate loyalty has become a one-way, downward spiral of overwork, break, discard and replace with a cheaper, foreign part.

Joel Bakan and Mark Achbar created the documentary film “The Corporation” 10 years ago. The film asked the question, “If corporations are people, what kind of people are they?” In the film, they go down a psychopathic checklist and cite actual, corresponding examples of bad corporate behavior. Sociopaths and corporations share numerous unpleasant traits, including no sense of guilt for their behavior, treating people like objects, feeling justified in their desires because they see them as their rights, and a lack of empathy with their victims.

Next time, let’s discuss what we can do to encourage multinational corporations to re-invest in America. Please share your thoughts on the Daily Republic website.

I’d like to leave you today with a thought from economist John Maynard Keynes: “When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals. We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for 200 years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues. We shall be able to afford to dare to assess the money-motive at its true value. The love of money as a possession, as distinguished from the love of money as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life, will be recognized for what it is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semicriminal, semipathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease.”

Mike Kirchubel grew up in Fairfield and is the author of “Vile Acts of Evil – Banking in America.” He can be reached at mikirch@comcast.net.

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  • James BurridgeAugust 04, 2014 - 7:17 am

    Mike, The reason you didn't receive more rebuttals to your negative opinion piece about Republicans is simply because your opinions don't matter. That article, as well most of your others, was chocked full of stereotypes, platitudes & liberal talking points. I have yet to read anything by you that has even a hint of creative thought. As for corporate charity, you need only to look into a mirror. The Daily Republic demonstrates corporate charity every time they publish one of your opinion pieces.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Mr. Burridge, and yet you like everyone else condemning Mike's columns bring nothing to counter his claims. That's life here, lots of objectionable gibberish but nothing substantial to deny the facts in context. As usual you provide nothing to prove your assertions more valuable or “right” than his. Nothing new, it is common practice from the misinformed on these boards. But keep trying, it's entertaining! ;)

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 04, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    CD, you're quick to jump on the Mike bandwagon. You and he are a real piece of work. I've been reading these comments for a while and I'd say the ones mostly getting laughed at are you and he. You tell a reader he brings nothing to "counter his claims". His "claims" as you put it are simply Mike's opinions. Readers counter his opinions with their own opinions. Pretty simple concept to most. Then you go on to say there's nothing substantial to "deny the facts in context.". Once again, there's not much "fact" in his opinion piece. Some, but mostly benign set up gibberish facts to set up his opinion. It would appear neither you or he has learned the differences between fact and opinion. You and Mike are entitled to your opinions, and so are others. Trying to insult people who voice an opinion to another person's opinion, just makes you look petty and weak. Yet, that's all you two seem to do. I see very few others resorting to that. This was my opinion. Now site some "facts" to prove me wrong.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 2:45 pm

    Tired-of-it. I was speaking in general terms because quite often many facts presented here are discounted by folks on the right. I agree opinions are one thing, facts quite another. What I typically rail against are opinions presented as facts that doesn't fly. Thanks for clearing that up! :)

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  • TJ BairdAugust 04, 2014 - 7:34 am

    We all understand (I would hope) that corporations are ran by men and women who encompass the whole political spectrum and are beholden to share holders that are equally diverse. The way you begin your commentary, you endeavor to link Republicans and evil corporations, this is not an accurate, nor reasonable argument, but rather a mis-guided perception based on the political affiliation and contributions of CEO's. Is there a growing need for a "significant moral adjustments" in most corporations? Yes. There are many large companies (and smaller ones as well) that treat their employees well and are generous with their resources into communities to meet needs.

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  • TJ BairdAugust 04, 2014 - 8:02 am

    Due to the lack of coffee this morning, I mis-typed. In referring to "mis-guided perception". It should have read, "mis-guided perception of what we know of the political affiliations and contributions of CEO's."

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 04, 2014 - 8:01 am

    Any suggestions on how to get the jobs back in the U.S.?

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  • TJ BairdAugust 04, 2014 - 8:23 am

    Mike, that is certainly the trillion dollar question. Businesses will not tend to invest in people (or equipment) if there is uncertainty. Lets start where everything starts - energy. We need to regulate for health and quality of life purposes only, not to score political points. Therefore, I think that we should have a non-partisan energy panel that develops a 20 year plan for energy in the US. This plan doesn't change from Administration to Administration. It is a plan that can be adjusted by the panel as new technology arises, but can not be touched by the President or Congress. One of the reasons that we are so far behind on "alternative energy" is that we continue to bounce between ideas and funding based on the whims of any given President and his administration. But the same can be said about energy independence related to oil. We should have weaned ourselves off of foreign oil (we have incredible reserves right here at home and in our reliable partner - Canada) decades ago, but we have never had the will or a coherent and consistent energy plan. Farming our own energy, both conventional and alternative is a way to drive down costs and start developing good paying jobs.

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  • rlw895August 04, 2014 - 8:54 am

    Eliminate the corporate income tax.

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  • TJ BairdAugust 04, 2014 - 8:59 am

    We certainly need to reduce it the level of our biggest economic rival - China. Why give everyone else a competitive advantage. We have the smarts, entrepreneurship and determination to get this economic engine roaring again.

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  • Rick WoodAugust 05, 2014 - 10:46 pm

    TJB: We certainly COULD do it, except we have a political system that won't allow it. It makes you wonder if the Chinese don't have it right. I don't believe they do, but we are going to have to stop fighting among ourselves if we are going to compete while staying true to our democratic ideals.

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  • rlw895August 04, 2014 - 8:57 am

    Provide the things corporations need for production better or cheaper than other countries. I'd invest in infrastructure and institutions of higher learning to start.

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  • rlw895August 04, 2014 - 8:59 am

    Ensue political stability.

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  • SteveAugust 04, 2014 - 9:31 am

    President Obama once asked Steve Jobs how much more it would cost if the iPhone was made in the US.? Jobs said about $60.00. Obama asked Jobs if he thought Americans would pay that much more if they knew the product was made in America. Jobs said he thought they might. Obama said to him "then we will make that happen." Jobs told him to forget it. He said the regulatory process in the US would never allow construction of, or reengineering of manufacturing facilities quickly enough to meet the upgrades in technology required for new versions of the iPhone or other devices. He cited an example of the iPhone's glass screen. When Corning came up with the prototype, they built the facility in China 12 weeks after Apple decided to use the new glass. Could never happen in the US, Jobs told Obama. That's why manufacturing isn't coming back anytime soon. That's a hard pill for liberals to swallow.

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  • James BurridgeAugust 04, 2014 - 1:08 pm

    It's easy to get jobs back in the US. reduce or eliminate corporate taxes. Corporate taxes are pass through taxes paid by consumers not corporation. Reign in the EPA. They are killing the industrial base in this country We have the tightest environmental restrictions in the world. Wouldn't it be better for the environment to relax our restrictions slightly and produce more of the worlds goods here with some environmental over sight than to continue to push manufacturing to third world countries with no environmental restrictions? Also, re-write our labor laws to put them in-line with the market pressures businesses face. Over-time laws, lunch break laws, etc. need to flexible enough to help businesses remain competitive and give employees flexibility.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    Mr. Burridge, these issues have been discussed here for years. The EPA needs to be investigated and disbanded. But who will do it? They answer to no one. The entire tax code has to be tossed and re-written. But again, no accountability, no one to jump in and change it. Regulations for safety are necessary but here, they're off the hook. Who runs OSHA for example? Along the line these organizations have become mega-powerful and hold little to no regard for anyone in authority. IF they even exist.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 04, 2014 - 5:36 pm

    Jim, that is the most common sense I've seen on these pages in a long time. Thank you for that. Oh yeah, and eat more meat!

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 12:31 am

    JB: I agree with you. We need to be realistic about regulations and restrictions that drive jobs away. We can do that without becoming an environmental mess or abusing workers. There are better places to spend our limited resources.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 04, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    We could start by removing the incentives that encouraged taking jobs overseas in the first play.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 12:33 am

    Mr.P: That's logical. What are they? Say, the top five.

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  • The Black Seeds - So True (but U R probably evil too,so sad...trust no one...so sad)August 07, 2014 - 8:01 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fOFWRqy98k

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Don't waste your time.

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  • StR @ rlwAugust 07, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    Actually I meant that @ Mr. Practical, it posted in the incorrect place.... because his analysis of legislation is usually very true..... and you know nothing about running a small business....but he is also a heathen..... ???? and parties with CD sometimes? You are about as charming as a Baboon's Bottom..... Ok now insult me back

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  • See wwwsolanolibrarycomAugust 07, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    and enter Black Adder DVD in the search box.... I got the Baboon's Bottom insult from this Rowan Atkinson BBC series and the library has a complete boxed set..... suggest you check it out rlw..... I found it amusing.... see now I am feeling guilty cause I really don't like to be mean and/or tricky like you..... anyway maybe you would find parts of it amusing.

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  • http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_imports.htmlAugust 04, 2014 - 8:37 am

    Google list of imports into US....Top US Imports - World's Richest Countries

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  • http://www.businessinsider.com/this-chart-shows-the-bilderberg-groups-connection-to-everything-in-the-world-2012-6August 04, 2014 - 8:43 am

    Google....corporations Bilderberg see This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything ... this breakdown is rather Amero-centric..... does not analyze the International banking/corporate connections into all the other countries of the World like China and Germany etc note that Daine Feinstein is listed as a Bilderberg.....

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  • ? Will this post Bye againAugust 04, 2014 - 9:08 am

    Top U.S. manufacturers returning jobs back to states from China By Lou Kilzer Saturday, Jan. 4, 2014 triblive..... the banking stuff at the end is what is interesting..... See now it is almost like the illuminati is setting up the BRICS to fight the Anglos.... more maneuvering towards a world war? Remember the plan is always to set up two sides to fight each other..... We need to end the Fed, because it is really controlled by the city of London..... ultimately the Illuminati does not like the USA still too many at least nominal Christians here..... the real fight is spiritual..... and the Banking powers have made the US greedy and rich and the Bully of all the other countries and taken the blame off the Bank of International settlements, World Bank the IMF and the Rothschilds and put it on the United States. Remember 9/11 was an inside job with the help of the top Democrats also...... It used to be their set up of communism against capitalism... now more maybe in the financial area haves against have nots?..... and of course the Albert Pike plan for the three world wars pitting the arabs against Israel to keep tensions up there....... again I ask why did Obama do Libya? Does anyone actually see this?

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  • John DutcherAugust 04, 2014 - 9:21 am

    Hi Mike. Not too many good solutions out there. Trade barriers or tariffs on what the world wants and we can export (food?). Unfortunately, too many free trade agreements are already in place. Ross Perot explained the consequences. In the second 1992 Presidential Debate, Ross Perot argued: We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. It's pretty simple: If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor,...have no health care—that's the most expensive single element in making a car— have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south. ...when [Mexico's] jobs come up from a dollar an hour to six dollars an hour, and ours go down to six dollars an hour, and then it's leveled again. But in the meantime, you've wrecked the country with these kinds of deals I hope others have some better ideas. .

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  • John DutcherAugust 04, 2014 - 9:26 am

    I should have put quotation marks to Perot's comments. The last sentence, about "I hope ..." was mine, not Perot's.

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  • JagAugust 04, 2014 - 9:47 am

    Hey I know, lets tell the corporations how much profit they can make. that's really what you want right Mike?

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 04, 2014 - 10:49 am

    I was thinking more about enticing them to move some jobs back here. Like RLW's eliminating corporate income tax. Maybe we could subsidize lower wages by providing healthcare, food stamps, and welfare for the workers.

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  • Salty DogAugust 04, 2014 - 12:33 pm

    Yes mike that is just what we need more government control of our lives. You would like nothing more then to live your life where the government provides for your every need. The problem with that is that it did not work in the Soviet Union but you want it to work here.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 04, 2014 - 2:05 pm

    SD, please don't try to think for me, you can't spare the capacity. I'll admit to being a bit tongue in cheek with the welfare, food stamps, and healthcare for underpaid workers. We are already subsidizing these employers. Should we continue to spend tax money subsidizing corporations like that? Should we subsidize them even more? By the way, the banks and corporations have more money than they ever had. Ever.

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  • Salty DogAugust 05, 2014 - 9:58 am

    Mike Please try and get over your self with your i don't have the brain capacity. You are the typical liberal that uses name calling when you have nothing to say you also think and feel that only you know what is best for everyone else. When ever someone with an opinion or comment that you don't like you come back with its foxism. Try not using name calling in your comments and may be we could try to see your point of view

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 12:25 am

    SD: Define "every need." I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. You seem to think that government assistance puts a person on Easy Street. That's a myth. It should be enough to keep a person alive, but that's it. Maybe something extra as an incentive to people who are working to get off of assistance, like more assistance to workers and education for those seeking it.

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  • Salty DogAugust 05, 2014 - 10:15 am

    rlw No government assistance does not put people on easy street. but it does take away the incentive to go out and work for the things you need. the government will provide a place to live will provide food in fact i just saw a add on tv for a free cell phone with unlimited and texting they say it is so you can contact employers about jobs and how many people use that to look for work i do not know what the percentage is but my opinion is that when you take away the incentive to work and earn the income to provide for your self and family most people will just say why work.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    SD: It's also a myth that public assistance in America takes away the incentive to work. Most people who get assistance can't work. What are we supposed to do, let people die?

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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75LEBT6jsU8August 06, 2014 - 6:03 am

    For rlw.... There are very large numbers of people on various government assistance programs that are able-bodied and unwilling to try to improve the situation. No one is saying to cut off assistance. We need better accountability.

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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRanr2NyFCUAugust 06, 2014 - 6:07 am

    More for rlw....

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  • rlw895August 06, 2014 - 10:12 am

    StR: You're interrupting. Go away.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 06, 2014 - 6:10 pm

    rlw, those links were from me, not str. Personally, I thought they had relevant substance.

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  • rlw895August 06, 2014 - 8:51 pm

    Well, now that I know they came from you, maybe I'll look at them.

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  • Don't Dream It's Over Lyrics It has been with us since creation It = the embodiment of evilAugust 07, 2014 - 7:33 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6nG1ZiHQU

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  • Patty O'CoverAugust 07, 2014 - 9:01 am

    I think you have been bicycling in the sun too much rlw, you need to de-stress and sit in the shade for awhile.... take a brake.... really likes to write... that is my advice! I thought up some really good insults for you! Just you wait and see!

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  • rlw895August 06, 2014 - 8:59 pm

    I agree. Le's hire more case workers. Oh, wait; we don't have the money.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 06, 2014 - 9:02 pm

    The money could be found. It might even save money.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 06, 2014 - 10:13 pm

    Mr. P, of course. I have a feeling that RLW was pulling our legs. The Repubs cry about welfare cheats, but won't hire watchdogs; complain about lax security at our foreign outposts, but cut funding; complain about tax cheats, but keep the I.R.S. at bare bones staffing; and on and on. I think they like the mess just so they can complain about it to the voters hiding in their Fox holes. It gets them votes from those who don't know better.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 7:51 am

    There's the standard smart alec Mike retort. "Fox holes" "...it gets them votes from those who don't know better." The usual Mike thought process, if you watch Fox news and don't think exactly like Mike, you're a freakin fool. Newsflash Mike, acting like a spoiled juvenile delinquent doesn't make you right. It just makes you look like a spoiled juvenile delinquent. You weren't told "No" a lot as a kid, were you?

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 3:49 am

    Mr.P: I agree it might save money. Whether "the money could be found" to even try though is not in the Republican's interest, as Mike points out. Republicans are big on reward and punishment (especially punishment). They look at taxes as punishment of taxpayers and tax revenue as a reward to government. If government is not working, they claim it shouldn't be rewarded with more money. So they short government money in hopes it will give then a stronger position for no new revenues (rewards) for failure and thus no new taxes. It's a nice loop to no government and no taxes if you can get enough people to buy the illogic of it.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 07, 2014 - 6:10 am

    Politely said, you guys are making this stuff up. There have been good bills that democrats have not allowed to see the light of day, on SNAP ID requirements, chained CPI and Medicare means testing. Efforts by Republicans to negotiate tax increases for entitlement reform were poo-poo'd by Obama and the democrats. You are shooting from the hip.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 07, 2014 - 6:47 am

    Mr. P, obama put chained C.P.I. on the table as part of a deal, the repubs walked away.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 07, 2014 - 6:54 am

    Mike, this is one of those times that you are misrepresenting the facts. Republicans did not walk from chained CPI. They walked away from the budget proposal that included it. That piece would have been supported. Obama is refusing to include it in this years budget.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 07, 2014 - 8:38 am

    A compromise consists of a mixrure of pluses and minuses, the repubs weren't willing to come to the table. You know that.

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  • Mr. PracticalAugust 07, 2014 - 8:55 am

    Mike, you are wrong. Both sides are complicit. You know that.

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 9:49 am

    Mr.P: False equivalency rears its ugly head once again. I'll bet there was a poison pill every "good bill" the Republicans have put forward that the Democrats bottled up (so Obama wouldn't have to veto it). Either that, or it wasn't really that good.

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  • StRAugust 07, 2014 - 10:05 am

    Yes rlw poisoning ala De Medici is a very common illuminati tactic, one we should all be careful to avoid if possible. May God protect all truth tellers.

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  • Salty DogAugust 06, 2014 - 9:46 am

    rlw Yes their are those that can't work and yes we need to help them but what do you have to say about the families that are on welfare that stay on it from one generation to the next. their is no incentive for them to get off the welfare cycle and if their was that incentive like putting a limit on it how much they can earn. Why is it that you can continue to collect the unending welfare/WIC and all the out he government handouts with out paying any thing into it but if you were to loose your job and have to collect unemployment you can only collect so much and you pay into it while you are working?

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  • rlw895August 06, 2014 - 10:22 am

    SD: I wouldn't say there is "no incentive." There are stories about kids who break out of the cycle all the time. If you've never been there, it's hard to imagine how hard that is. It's not a matter of incentive or motivation. It's a matter of few positive role models, a feeling of hopelessness, fear of the unknown, and lot's more. Most people don't need much incentive to succeed in life because they start out ahead on all those other things. What I know for sure is the situation doesn't get better by starving people or denying them healthcare or housing. I don't want to be part of that. One of the benefits of being an American is we won't let you die unnecessarily. That's a pretty low standard of support, but I can live with it. That creates incentive enough. We need to look elsewhere to get people out of the cycle, which I don't like either.

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  • PornacAugust 04, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    Ain't worked yet. Just makes shareholders and ceo's richer.

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  • James BurridgeAugust 04, 2014 - 1:13 pm

    Mike, Subsidizing is still spending "other people's money". Just get the government out of the way and businesses will provide for their employees. If they don't, another business will take their business and employees. Just let the market work!!

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 04, 2014 - 2:11 pm

    JB, ah yes, the wonderful free market. You do realize that American markets are not free, and never have been. Businesses set up rules and regulations to keep others out of their way. It's not the poor who create these regulations, it is the rich who have the money to purchase legislation.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 04, 2014 - 3:46 pm

    "Businesses set up rules and regulations to keep others out of their way...it is the rich who have money to purchase legislation...." Wow! That is exactly what Tired-Of-It labeled as Mike's brand of "gibberish." Then, when no one comes forth to refute the gibberish, Mike declares victory and plans for the next round of irrefutable gibberish. My sincere thanks to those commentors here who finally pointed out what I have been unable to succinctly describe in the past about most of Mike's columns. Mr. Burridge, Mr. Baird, Steve and Tired-of-It. Thank you, thank you. Rlw and CD are still irresponsibly supporting Mike, but hopefully they will see the light. Oh, and StR--go away!

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 04, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    Make that, "irrationally" supporting Mike.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    Mr. Smith, I respect you and your education. But I don't know how you can say we're irresponsible for supporting mike? Nobody has ever taken the time to find information to prove him incorrect, opinions notwithstanding.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    ...or "irrational."

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 04, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    CD: Perhaps I was unfair to you and rlw895. I should not begrudge Mike a few supporters. However, you just might be making my point when you say nobody has ever taken the time to find information to prove him wrong. "Pinning jello to the wall" comes to mind. Today was an exceptional day on this board in addressing the points you and rlw895 are trying to make in Mike's support. We just don't happen to agree when it comes to his particular brand of socialist nonsense. I am 100% with you on matters like law and order, traffic enforcement, border security, immigration policy and minimum wage.

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  • CD BrooksAugust 04, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    Mr. Smith, fair enough. The "socialist" thing always sort of gets me, but I understand where most everyone is going here. I know we all have some common ground somewhere. I probably over-stepped on the opinion vs. fact issue earlier, got a little ahead of myself...

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 12:43 am

    Mr.S: Let's be more specific about "socialist nonsense." What is it you are seeing here that meets that definition, exactly?

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 5:08 am

    Rlw895: Specifically speaking? Oh, about 80% of what Mike writes or opines here fits into that description--in my opinion. I would be willing to bet that many frequenters of this forum agree with me on that. With, or without placing a value-judgment on the fact.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 7:55 am

    Mr.S: That's not specific.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Rlw: I don't need to regurgitate 80% of Mike's ramblings over the past two years. You know exactly what I am referring to when I say they are socialist in tone and implication. You might be able to argue against the "nonsense" label as being too subjective, or biased. But, as I said, it is my opinion.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Mr.S: No, I don't know what you're referring to. How about one thing Mike says in THIS column? I think calling Mike a socialist is just name-calling without substance.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 9:10 am

    Rlw: I am including Mike's comments on this board as well as his published columns. And not 100% of the time. But why don't we cut to the chase and let Mike respond? I will go along with whatever he says, because it is time to move on. Mike? The question is: Are you a socialist, or would you characterize a good deal of what you write in your column or sayin your responses here as being based upon socialist principles? Remember, we are not making a value judgment here.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 05, 2014 - 9:56 am

    Mr. S, my response is the obvious one: when called to task, you cannot quote one line rhat supports your contention that i am a socialist. Why? Because i am not. As usual, you have nothing but bluster and name calling. Try thinking about what i've written, instead of instinctively reacting to it.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Mike: Thanks for playing along. But I disagree with your charge of blustering and name-calling. I see it more as casual observation and labeling. But the folks on this forum can all decide what that label (or name) should be. No biggie.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 05, 2014 - 10:41 am

    Mr. S, one man's "labeling" is another man's "name calling." The point of this conversation should not be "what name do we call mike" because that list is infinite, but rather, "what specific point did mike make that i have a hard time agreeing with? " when we discuss issues , we can move the conversation forward. When we call each other names, the conversation ends.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 05, 2014 - 10:47 am

    Mr. S, you didn't seem to agree with my comment that only the rich can afford to purchase favorable legislation. Did you want to tell us what your opinion is on that? Is there an opposite viewpoint that has poor people buying politicians? If so, i'd love to hear it.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 05, 2014 - 2:22 pm

    Only the rich can buy politicians, Mike? You know a lot of people who do work get some sort of subsidy, correct? Most working people aren't "rich" by any means. However, the unions who represent those workers buy more than their share of politicians. I totally agree with you the poor don't "buy" politicians. They do however reward politicians who will continue to allow them to live off others peoples money. In my opinion, both rich and poor have very selfish reasons for voting the way they do. The middle class voting? That is a whole new subject.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 06, 2014 - 7:55 pm

    Toi, what share, in your opinion, are working people entitled to? Personally, i don't think they are getting their fair sharr, but then, i'm not a rich republican.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 06, 2014 - 11:20 pm

    Share of what, Mike? Which "workers" are "not getting their fair share" of whatever "it" is? This sounds like more of your socialist mumbo-jumbo. Workers of the world, unite! The proletariat shall rule! Down with private ownership of property, goods and services! You're pulling our leg, right? Oh, wait.....

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 7:34 am

    Mike, when you say "fair share" are you referring to subsidies? Because I don't think any. My point was people who work and get subsidies, aren't rich. By the way, I'm not a rich republican either.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 07, 2014 - 8:44 am

    I didn't think you were. But i didn't want to assume you were just another gullible working class voter.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 11:58 am

    Go ahead and assume what ever you like about me. Until I see differently, I'll assume you're just an useless smart alec with a keyboard. Deal?

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 05, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    No problem, Mike. I'll remind you of your words the next time you are being a smart alec to someone simply because they disagree with your opinion. "When we call each other names, the conversation ends." Also, it's good to know if someone calls you a name, you'll stop conversing with that person on that subject. Win-win.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Mike: With regard to your distaste for labeling, or name-calling, I have four words for you: "Republicans are hard-hearted." Now, about labels. Would I be more accurate if I said you tend to write like a big-government liberal (aka progressive)? If so, fine. To me a modern day progressive and a socialist are about the same thing. If you disagree with that, fine. Why are labels important, you ask? Labels allow us to communicate efficiently with other people. For example, if you say you are "hungry," I know what you are experiencing without your having to describe each and every signal your body is sending to your brain at that moment. Does this clarify things with regard to the DR comment board and what I have taken away from it after viewing your writings and comments over time? I hope so, because I am not going to revisit your past columns and comments for examples to "prove" my point. It just isn't that important.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 2:32 pm

    "......cold-hearted."

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 05, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Republicans are cold hearted was the point of the article. As for labeling me, i would be ok with small, yet effective government progressive with a side of anti monopoly and a hearty portion of national, non debt currency.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    Would you like fries with that?

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 05, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    Garlic fries and a cold beer, please.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 10:59 pm

    Mr.S: I won't object to name-calling/labeling "with substance," but you aren't producing any. Words have meaning and should not be used incorrectly. Mike calls Republicans and corporations "cold-hearted," but then he explains in his 600 words why that label has substance. I have no objection to that even if I disagree, because he puts it our there for argument. You aren't doing that when you say Mike is a socialist, so I object. "No biggie" to you. Fine.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 7:53 am

    JB: The US tried that once. Didn't work out.

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  • JagAugust 04, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    what about people taking out student loans to get more educated and retrain them self and pay it back over a long period of time like I did.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 12:00 am

    Mike: That's what I was thinking too. Raise the income tax, estate tax and excise taxes to provide a better safety net for low-income workers. That would help compensate for lower wages.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 05, 2014 - 9:03 am

    Gee, do you think anyone might take your opinion as socialist in nature? You ask for Mr. Smith to be specific and then you go and do it for him. Thanks for the laugh but, it almost made me choke on my coffee. Warn a person if you're going to be joking around. No, I'm not saying your opinion is in my opinion valid or not. You are completely entitled to your opinion, it's just that you're funny.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    Progressive taxation is free market capitalism's answer to socialism. It's not socialism.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 05, 2014 - 7:50 pm

    Taking money from those who work hard to get ahead and giving it to those that don't, is socialism. Trying to make everyone more equal through taxation is socialism.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    President Obama says the rich should pay more in taxes because "they are not paying their fair share." However, data from official government sources show this is not the case. (Source: Peter Ferrara, Forbes.) Rlw and Mike K. agree with President Obama. By Tired-of-It's definition, taxation to make everyone equal is socialism, so Mike and rlw just might be socialists (with apologies to a certain "red-neck" comedian). I agree 100% with Tired-of-It. You can't walk like a duck and quack like a duck and then be offended when people assume you are a duck.

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  • rlw895 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsMAugust 05, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Mr.S/Tired: You need to watch the video again. We're so far from socialism it isn't funny. You have been deluded into thinking otherwise.

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 4:18 am

    Mr.S: I don't think I ever use the term "fair share" when referring to taxation. Obama has to speak to the masses; I don't.

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  • rlw895August 05, 2014 - 11:04 pm

    Tired: What about someone who is disabled and can't work?

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 06, 2014 - 9:12 am

    Rlw, I'm not talking about people that "can't" work and I think you know that. The number of people who "can't" work is smaller than you want to admit. You state "most" people on assistance can't work. That is, in my opinion, delusional at best. For many years I lived amoung welfare recipients. I knew exactly who could and couldn't work, and who would and wouldn't work. I can't believe you believe that of the millions of people on some sort of government assistance most "can't" work. If that's the case, this country is full of physically and mentally broken people. I refuse to buy into that. Sure, people who truly can't work should be taken care of. However the percentage of people on assistance programs that "can't" work is smaller than you're projecting.

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 4:10 am

    Tired: "Can't work" is measurable and a matter of degree. Not everyone on assistance is 100% disabled, and some may not be able to work for other reasons. Maybe "can't earn a living wage" is a better way to put it. But let's take the case of someone able to earn a living wage, with jobs available, who is just a lazy slug. In that case, would you cut him/her off entirely (i.e., provide "maximum incentive")? I wouldn't. I would still provide a subsistence level of support, because we don't let Americans due unnecessarily. Lazy slugs will die on their own soon enough if they don't change their ways. That assumes the lazy slug is not a "welfare cheat" by some other definition. Welfare fraud is not acceptable.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 7:27 am

    Rlw, I believe if someone is perfectly able to work and refuses not to so they can collect my hard earned money, then they are a "welfare cheat", and they are committing welfare fraud. Let them sit on a street corner and panhandle. At least they would be doing SOMETHING for the money they get. Hey, some of those people make some pretty good tax free money. As for those that "can't earn a living wage", you are for giving them subsidies. Are you also good with subsidies for others, like farmers and businesses? Good for the goose, good for the gander, correct?

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  • rlw895August 07, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Tired: And therein lies the difference. Welfare fraud is a violation of law, not morality. I would continue to provide subsistence support for someone who is able to work and is not committing fraud. If refusing to take a job that is offered is fraud, then I would say cut off support. As for subsidies for people who needed them to live, I'm for that, barring fraud. I'm also agreeable to--although not necessarily an advocate of--subsidies generally where they are in the public interest. Showing that they are "in the public interest" should require findings and be periodically reviewed (sunset clauses).

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  • Happy Now ? Today Monday on InfowarsAugust 04, 2014 - 10:29 am

    On this Monday August 4 edition of the Alex Jones Show Alex continues his coverage of the Ebola scare as dozens showing signs of the disease are caught sneaking into the United States. Alex also looks at the government's war on self-sufficiency as the feds shut down a seed library in Pennsylvania. On today's worldwide broadcast Alex talks with Shooter Jennings, the son of country music legend Waylon Jennings. Shooter will release his latest album, a tribute to George Jones, on August 5. Alex covers other important news items and takes your calls on today's transmission.wwwinfowarscom

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  • DanielAugust 04, 2014 - 10:52 am

    In the libs and Mikie's delusional world Corporations are cold-blooded machines and don't consist of human beings, it's very difficult to dialogue with people like this, Mikie doesn't even realize that he's writing for a "cold blooded" corp. who without making a profit would be out of business, I realize the biggest difference in trying to have a decent conversation is ignorance and delusion, it's just too difficult until they wake up.

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  • What can we do....August 04, 2014 - 10:58 am

    We as individuals can read.... The Public Bank Solution by Ellen Brown.... to begin to understand some important concepts of "money" as a medium of exchange for the public benefit of the citizens of a country as opposed to "money" as a tool of control by the New World Order...... Elizabeth Windsor..... We ARE NOT Amused....by this

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  • SteveAugust 04, 2014 - 2:08 pm

    This is comical. See my response up above about why we are so completely non-competitive in manufacturing worldwide. If you have an economic system that requires government subsidies, intervention, or specific legislation reducing regulation (see the California movie industry and car battery plant stories) to have a manufacturing sector, you have a failed economic and regulatory system. That is why manufacturing has left California for Texas, and the United States for other countries. Unless and until an almost complete restructuring of our tax, employment and regulatory codes occurs, it ain't gonna change.

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  • "Weird Al" Yankovic - First World ProblemsAugust 05, 2014 - 8:27 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwvlbJ0h35A&index=4&list=RD8Gv0H-vPoDc

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  • CD BrooksAugust 05, 2014 - 9:28 am

    Good morning gentlemen! Here's my take on the matter. Number one, "Socialist" has such a wide variety of definitions it would be hard to pin someone down on that. Number two, using any of them conjures up some metaphorical bad guy. Number three let's face it, most people equate Socialism to Communism (not that Communism is necessarily a bad thing), but that is where the majority of real concerns lie.

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  • Mr. SmithAugust 05, 2014 - 9:51 am

    CD: I agree. But we should be able to apply the term in its broadest sense and determine if the majority of Mike's comments fit the pattern. And, yes, to me at least, it is a negative to be cast in that light. If I were a citizen of France, perhaps not so much. But then I wouldn't care, because I would be enjoying my 20th week of vacation from my government "job."

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  • Today Tuesday on InfowarsAugust 05, 2014 - 12:37 pm

    On the Tuesday, August 5 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex breaks down the death of a U.S. general in Afghanistan, still being investigated as a possible Taliban “insider attack,” and continues looking at why health authorities are concealing the actual number of suspected Ebola victims from the public. Jones also considers the virus as a means to provoke gun confiscations and martial law, and explores the possibilities of a mandatory Ebola vaccine. On today's show, Alex invites the leader of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, or ALIPAC, William Gheen, to discuss how, in the midst of a health crisis, de facto open borders pose a serious risk to national security. Jones also welcomes American trend forecaster, publisher of the Trends Journal, business consultant and author Gerald Celente for his take on how the globalists are manipulating world crises and accelerating their plans on all fronts to ultimately bring about world government.

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  • http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/nicweb/top50form.aspxAugust 05, 2014 - 12:50 pm

    Google Banking Corporations.... See..Top 50 - ffiec ....Holding Companies with Assets Greater Than $10 Billion

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  • Also Google...August 05, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Largest European Banks and Largest Private Banks... See...UBS cements lead as largest private bank, assets near $2 trillion ...

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  • The SugarJarAugust 05, 2014 - 10:30 pm

    Sometimes labels are actually useful--and sometimes labels are a diversion. And the question why are corporations cold-hearted? Goes directly to what is the purpose of the corporation. The purpose of humanity? Are they intertwined, balanced, or at odds?

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  • http://www.hulu.com/watch/666870#i0,p371,d0August 06, 2014 - 7:45 am

    A Tribute to Scold-hearted Weird Michael... Mandatory Fun!

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  • John Legend - Ordinary PeopleAugust 06, 2014 - 8:25 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh07c_P4hc

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  • ? Is the USA becoming a Totalitarian State also? What bad taste...August 06, 2014 - 8:35 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

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  • Mickey Katz sings "Duvid Crockett"August 06, 2014 - 9:09 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwczIc4FNV0

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  • Jennifer Grey sings Duvid CrockettAugust 06, 2014 - 9:53 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkjL7Mu6i0

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  • Time of my life... thanks DRAugust 06, 2014 - 9:59 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9BbUqHrWFI

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  • Jennifer Grey & Derek - Last 4 Dances & 5 Dirty Dancing FlashbacksAugust 06, 2014 - 10:06 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fwfWYRi9jk

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  • Why Don't You Do Right Michael?...... Obama is bad also, not just the RepubsAugust 07, 2014 - 7:18 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdqvX-n25gs

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  • edarem - Spike Jones (Horse Race [Beetle Bomb])August 07, 2014 - 8:08 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq2kv-QQhIE

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  • I want a new DUCK by Screwy Lewis, I mean Weird AlAugust 07, 2014 - 8:47 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOL2q8leiLw

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  • Today Wednesday on InfowarsAugust 06, 2014 - 10:11 am

    On this Wednesday, August 6 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex covers a claim by a New Jersey cop that he does not have to follow the Constitution because Obama has decimated the founding document of the republic. Alex also breaks down NATO's warning that Russia is preparing to invade Ukraine as the new Cold War kicks into overdrive. On today's broadcast, Alex talks with former Minnesota Governor, WWE Hall of Famer and U.S. Navy Underwater Demolition Team member Jesse Ventura about his lawsuit against Chris Kyle, the late Navy SEAL sniper who defamed Ventura in 2012. Alex also talks with researcher and author Mark Adams about the numerous abuses of the IRS and how it is used as a political weapon against opponents of the political status quo, including formerRepublican Rep, George Hansen of Idaho.wwwinfowars.com

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 06, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    Do I think you are for socialism, Mike? Yes, in my opinion you are. Many of your sarcastic opinion pieces and responses in this forum are dripping with socialist views. I'm not gullible, however, it appears having socialist views also comes with being delusional. How else can one explain why every person with socialist views think they don't have them? Don't get me wrong, it's your view and as an America, you're entitled to it. Just don't pretend you don't. Embrace it. Now, if we're done trading smart alec comments let's get back to the point. I agree that welfare should be at a subsistence level of support. What I don't agree with is how many able bodied people you're will to give it to at the expense of hard working people. There are too many able bodied people who are just fine living with "subsistence level support", verses working. Maybe if some of those people who can work but refuse to faced a work or die decision, I'm betting many would find jobs they just aren't willing to do now. If that opinion makes me cold blooded in your opinion, I can live with that. We need to stop the free hand outs to people that are sucking this country dry.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 06, 2014 - 2:05 pm

    Do you include handouts to the rich as well as the poor?

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 06, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    Come on Mike, you know full well that's a loaded question. It's much too general of a question for a yes or no answer. If you're just looking for some written jousting, trust me, I'm down for it. If you want a real conversation then ask a real question and I'll give you an honest answer. Tax breaks for the rich? Subsidies? Tax breaks? What specific tax break are you referring to?

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 06, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Whoops. That should have been hand outs to the rich, as Mike said, not tax breaks for the rich. I shouldn't multitask while making comments.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 06, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    Hand outs is what i said and what i mean. Let's focus on the Fed purchasing defaulted bank assets, taxpayer bailouts, government subsidies, no bid and sweetheart contracts, depressions, and wars. Did i miss anything? I mean besides the taxbreaks?

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  • http://www.census.gov/manufacturing/m3/August 07, 2014 - 6:27 am

    In General Google....durable goods.... see... US Census Bureau Manufacturers' Shipments, Inventories, and Orders ....click on...June 2014 Full Report released August 5, 2014 at 10:00 A.M. EDT... PDF selection menu..select full text and tables..... gives a general overview of industry in American and you can check out other aspects of the site.

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  • http://www.industryweek.com/resources/us500/2013/1August 07, 2014 - 6:52 am

    In General Google..IW 500 2013....see 2013 IW US 500 Company Profile | IndustryWeek .... choose this to step thru some stats on the 500 Largest US Manufacturers

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 7:09 am

    Besides the tax breaks, Mike? Why, because you get those? When it comes tax time, you love those tax breaks, right? I'll bet those evil cold hearted rich people do also. That's funny. I didn't think you had a sense of humor. Nice to see I was wrong. You're still too general. However, generally speaking, I don't believe in bailouts and subsidies. Sweetheart contracts? Is that prostitution? You'll need to be more specific. Depressions? You could take Xanax for that. Both of them. War? Nope, don't like those. Now, again I say, if you give me a specific question, I'll give you an honest answer.

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  • mike kirchubelAugust 07, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Sure you will.

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 12:02 pm

    I surely will, Mike. Always count on my honest opinion. Honest.

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  • Today Thursday on InfowarsAugust 07, 2014 - 9:09 am

    On the Thursday, August 7 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Jones breaks down an internal report revealing that the cryptocurrency Bitcoin has the potential to supercede the Federal Reserve's dollar system within the next 12 years, as outlined by a whistleblower. Alex also looks at why Russia appears to be flying nuclear bombers into northwestern U.S. air defense identification zones, and Russia's ban of food certain food products from the West, in response to sanctions. On today's show, Jones welcomes author and economist Bill Bonner to speak about his latest book Hormegeddon, a work describing what happens when you have too much of a good thing in a public-policy context. Jones also speaks with political scientist, constitutional philosopher and self-sufficiency expert Joel Skousen to discuss why people who live near densely populated areas on the east coast should develop contingency retreat plans, especially in light of the upcoming hurricane season. Alex also exposes MIT's latest technology created to intrude in people's private lives in the most minimally invasive way possible.wwwinfowarscom Mike... See Explosive Jackie O tapes ‘reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK’ by Liz Thomas....

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  • ?August 07, 2014 - 10:25 am

    But do the Chinese Illuminati and Rothschilds really control the Central Banks of China?.... therefore it is just another example of the International bankers running both sides of "the fight"... that is no country has any real independence from the Central Bank/Rothschild control...

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  • http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mef45glfe/6-bp-4-1-million-barrels-per-day-3/August 07, 2014 - 10:35 am

    Google Highest production oil companies....

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  • continued...August 07, 2014 - 10:37 am

    See....The World's 25 Biggest Oil Companies - Forbes then we have to ask ourselves.... Who name names really owns and/or controls these companies....

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  • ?August 07, 2014 - 10:44 am

    But remember the Fed judging by the Directors who have worked for Goldman Sachs or now the Fed chair who worked for the Central Bank of Israel and Goldman Sachs? We see the Fed is really run by the City of London Bankers and the Rothschild Banks.... The Fed is run for the Benefit of the International Bankers to implement the New World Luciferian Order...through financing world wars etc.... and financial control of all the Central Banks of most all countries.

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  • StRAugust 07, 2014 - 10:57 am

    and sad but true.... at this point the evil people do not care if we all know this..... because they are playing both sides probably.... even the BRICS against the City of London/Rothschild/Fed/Anglo-American Banks.... why because they are engineering wars worldwide and economic crashes worldwide.... as long as we all worldwide suffer and fight each other...... If we criticize the FED it crashes and there is nothing in place to take over for it, they can blame the crisis on us.... that we got what we asked for..... the overall chaos is the end game.

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  • The Treaty of Westphalia ( I say this to say that... continued tomorrow? )August 07, 2014 - 9:36 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WO73Dh7rY

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  • The Foxhole Manifesto... really just Thank You Jesus Save Me and Do unto others... etc... 4 U Walter kissAugust 07, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWi0irkAz1I

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  • More than winning.... Remember they want us all to fight each otherAugust 08, 2014 - 9:16 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-Cb2jPDrM

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  • Tired-of-itAugust 07, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    Rlw: I understand there is a legal definition for welfare fraud. That doesn't stop me from having the opinion that people who refuse to work are committing a fraud on the working people. As gar as the leg at statute, very few people are ever prosecuted of welfare fraud. It takes someone to collect dozen of fraudulent checks over a long period of time to ever get caught. There's just not enough oversight. Like I already stated, I lived amount welfare recipients for years. Just because someone isn't prosecuted for welfare fraud, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Also, it is my opinion that able bodied people who refuse to work should be released from the program. I guess at this point you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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  • http://www.quandl.com/c/energy/crude-petroleum-refinery-capacity-by-countryAugust 07, 2014 - 9:08 pm

    Google....refinery output by country ( do it with the miss-pelling).... See...Refinery Capacity By Country - Data from Quandl ..... look at the refining capacity of the United States Compared to other countries.... very very interesting.

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  • OOps spell checker corrected the spellingAugust 07, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    refinery output by co puntry ( put the two parts together )

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  • http://www.eia.gov/countries/index.cfm?view=consumptionAugust 08, 2014 - 9:05 am

    Google...fuel consumption by country.... See Oil Consumption - Countries - US Energy Information Administration ...

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  • Today Friday on InfowarsAugust 08, 2014 - 9:09 am

    On this Friday, August 8 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex covers the latest on Iraq as Obama orders military action against ISIS, the terrorist army supported by close allies of the United States. The group stood ready to take the capitol city of Erbil in the Kurdistan Region of the country after conquering a number of cities and creating a humanitarian crisis as thousands fled their fanatical and murderous rage. On today's worldwide broadcast, Alex talks with activist, social critic and author Mark Dice who looks into the Illuminati in media and the secretive cabal's ultimate game plan. Alex also talks with DWI trial attorney Jamie Balagia. Mr. Balagia is currently running for Texas Attorney General.wwwinfowarscom

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Assad pursues withering campaign against rebels

By The Associated Press | From Page: A1 | Gallery

 
FBI: Denver girls may have tried to join jihadis

By The Associated Press | From Page: A1

IS fighters seize weapons cache meant for Kurds

By The Associated Press | From Page: A1

 
7 arrested in Oakland raid on Black Muslim Temple

By The Associated Press | From Page: A6

Stinky seaweed piling up at upscale Laguna Beach

By The Associated Press | From Page: A6

 
California man goes missing during road trip

By The Associated Press | From Page: A8

2nd guilty plea in California tainted beef case

By The Associated Press | From Page: A8

 
Golden Gate Bridge officials float sidewalk toll

By The Associated Press | From Page: A8

5 Jonestown victims buried in California

By The Associated Press | From Page: A8 | Gallery

 
New rules adopted in hopes of spurring home loans

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8

Former Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee dies

By The Associated Press | From Page: A9

 
Pakistani Nobel laureate honored in Philadelphia

By The Associated Press | From Page: A9

Cadaver dog searches in suspected serial killings

By The Associated Press | From Page: A10

 
Schools scoured in search for ambush suspect

By The Associated Press | From Page: A10

AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

By The Associated Press | From Page: A10 | Gallery

 
Freed Vietnamese dissident travels to US: official

By The Associated Press | From Page: A13

North Korea frees US man; 2 more still detained

By The Associated Press | From Page: A13

 
Brown meets with health care experts about Ebola

By The Associated Press | From Page: A14

US expands Ebola checks; Rwanda to check Americans

By The Associated Press | From Page: A14

 
WHO: Ebola vaccine trials in W. Africa in January

By The Associated Press | From Page: A14

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Opinion

Expect voter participation to drop

By Dan Walters | From Page: A11

 

PUC chief: Likely 1st test for new Brown term

By Thomas Elias | From Page: A11

Editorial Cartoons: Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2014

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: A11

 
Spering kept youth league going

By Letter to the Editor | From Page: A11, 11 Comments

Day, Blankenchip good for respective cities

By Letter to the Editor | From Page: A11, 2 Comments

 
‘Misleading’ mailer sent to residents

By Letter to the Editor | From Page: A11, 2 Comments

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Living

Today in History: Oct. 22, 2014

By The Associated Press | From Page: A2

 
Community Calendar: Oct. 22, 2014

By Susan Hiland | From Page: A2

Horoscopes: Oct. 22, 2014

By Holiday Mathis | From Page: B6

 
Is it OK for a business to use its contacts to raise money for a charity?

By Kathy Mitchell and Marcy Sugar | From Page: B6

Hummus and chocolate together? Deliciously so!

By The Associated Press | From Page: B7 | Gallery

 
Easy slow cooker chili that lives up to the hype

By The Associated Press | From Page: B7 | Gallery

Roasted beets can brighten up any holiday table

By The Associated Press | From Page: B7 | Gallery

 
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Entertainment

TVGrid

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: A5

 
Argentina demands ‘Top Gear’ apology from BBC

By The Associated Press | From Page: A7

‘S.H.I.E.L.D’ fans push for Coulson/May romance

By The Associated Press | From Page: A7 | Gallery

 
From Kors to DVF, fashion mourns de la Renta

By The Associated Press | From Page: A7 | Gallery

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Sports

Local report: Vikings earn 3-0 SCAC volleyball win over Wolves

By Daily Republic staff | From Page: B1

 
SJS releases season’s first wins list

By Paul Farmer | From Page: B1 | Gallery

Bumgarner, Giants stop Royals 7-1 in Series opener

By The Associated Press | From Page: B1 | Gallery

 
Bruins hold off Sharks to win 5-3

By The Associated Press | From Page: B1 | Gallery

Logano: No worries about retaliation from Patrick

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

 
Cowboys release Michael Sam from practice squad

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

Fighters suing Mayweather over Vegas cable TV bout

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

 
49ers lose center Daniel Kilgore, needs surgery

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2 | Gallery

Raiders plagued by 3rd-down defensive woes

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

 
For a young Mexican golf star, seeing helps him believe

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

Shaw shoulders blame for Stanford’s slide

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

 
Newman dodges penalty for Talladega inspection

By The Associated Press | From Page: B2

WS Game 2 starters Ventura, Peavy study in contrasts

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3 | Gallery

 
Hats off! Royals get old-timey with tip o’ the hat

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3

KC, San Fran mayors announce World Series wager

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3

 
Ezeli returns as Warriors beat Clippers 125-107

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3

Buster’s back: Posey tries to add 3rd Series ring

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3 | Gallery

 
AP sources: Rice’s appeal hearing set for Nov. 5-6

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3

Kings GM: NHL should educate after Voynov’s arrest

By The Associated Press | From Page: B3

 
Broncos are still No. 1 in AP Pro32 rankings

By The Associated Press | From Page: B9 | Gallery

‘Blade Runner’ Pistorius gets 5 years in prison

By The Associated Press | From Page: A12 | Gallery

 
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Business

New efforts to ban tobacco farm child labor

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8 | Gallery

 
Total CEO killed in Moscow runway crash

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8

China economy grows at slowest pace in 5 years

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8

 
Google’s streaming music service adds mood to mix

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8

5 problems McDonald’s is facing in the US

By The Associated Press | From Page: B8 | Gallery

 
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Obituaries

Rufina Ferrer Levengood

By Nancy Green | From Page: A4

 
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Comics

Garfield

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
B.C.

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Wizard of Id

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
For Better or Worse

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Get Fuzzy

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Baby Blues

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Rose is Rose

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Zits

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Baldo

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Peanuts

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Blondie

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Pickles

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Beetle Bailey

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Dilbert

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Frank and Ernest

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

 
Sally Forth

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B5

Cryptoquote

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B6

 
Crossword

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B6

Bridge

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B6

 
Sudoku

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B6

Word Sleuth

By Daily Republic Syndicated Content | From Page: B6