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Some facts, history of Agenda 21

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From page A8 | June 02, 2014 |

The is the latest installment in a series of topical columns titled The Right Stuff to promote thought and ensure accuracy within political campaigns and issues. Our objective is to promote interest among voters to separate fact from opinion or fiction. It is time for voters to demand representatives who promote the founding principles of our country at every level of government.

What is Agenda 21? A June 2012 poll of U.S. voters by American Planning Association found that 9 percent support, 6 percent opposed and 85 percent had insufficient information to know. It is time for all voters to see the facts.

Supposedly Agenda 21 is a voluntarily implemented action plan for sustainable development produced by the U.N. Conference on Environment and Development in 1992. U.N. Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy and all human beings in the world.

Because it is not a treaty, it is not law under Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. However, both Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton committed federal agencies to support the concept.

Here are some recorded statements of Agenda 21 policy and promoters:

  • “We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers, and return to wilderness millions of acres of settled land.” – Dave Foreman, Earth First.
  • “Land cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market . . . therefore contributes to social injustice.” – President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.
  • “Ski runs, grazing of livestock, plowing of soil, building fences, industry, single-family homes, paved and tarred roads, logging activities, dams and reservoirs, power line construction, and economic systems that fail to set proper value on the environment are not sustainable.” – U.N. Biodiversity Assessment Report.
  • “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” – Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the U.N. Earth Summit, 1992.
  • “Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” – Harvey Ruvin, voice chairman of the former International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives, now known as ICLEI-Local Governments for Sustainability, an association of cities and local governments dedicated to sustainable development.
  • “This segment of our society who fear ‘one world government’ through which our individual freedom will be stripped away would actively work to defeat . . . the ‘conspiracy’ of Agenda 21. So we shall call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning or smart growth.” – J. Gary Lawrence, President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.

Agenda 21/Sustainability Development is administered worldwide through local governments by the U.N.’s ICLEI. More than 600 U.S. cities and counties are members of ICLEI, which commits them to support “sustainability development.” These agreements are violations of Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, which states that “No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation” with a foreign power.

ICLEI is working locally through the Metropolitan Transportation Commission and the Association of Bay Area Governments to promote the One Bay Area Plan. ICLEI refuses to release contributing member names and per-capita dues.

Though the promoters insist all local government decisions are voluntary, financial pressures are applied. Decisions are recommendations by unelected officials in the Association of Bay Area Governments and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission with large sums of taxpayer dollars to test integrity of local officials by augmenting their budgets.

Research this and check your city council member and supervisor to learn if they deserve your trust.

Earl Heal is a Vacaville resident and member of The Right Stuff Committee, a committee of the Solano County Republican Party. Reach him at healearlniki@att.net.

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  • Mayor SanchezJune 02, 2014 - 5:54 am

    i've heard this so called "agenda 21" only a few times from a few public speakers at Suisun City council meetings. The ones who said NO to everything we have done in the city since 1994 when I first got elected.

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  • While We Sleep.....June 02, 2014 - 6:34 am

    Dear Mr. Mayor: It is not "so called." Agenda 21 is the abbreviation of "United Nations Agenda for the 21st Century." Printed copies of the UN document are available and you should educate yourself on the subject. Your willful refusal to even acknowledge that it exists tells us much more about you and the other politicians who downplay Agenda 21 than you want us to know. It is real, the quotes in Mr. Heal's column are real, and while we sleep the great republic in which we live is being demolished, bit by bit by people from outside the US who want to humble us, put us in our place, and steal our wealth and our freedoms. Wake up, Mr. Mayor!

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  • Mayor SanchezJune 02, 2014 - 11:48 am

    Somebody please prove to me anything done by the Suisun City Council since 1994, that can be attributed to this so called "agenda 21". Never mentioned in our agenda submittals, never said by elected officials, never claimed by anyone other than 2 or 3 perpetual naysayers during public comments. Those same persons who instigated the failed "recall". Let me ask, was the WalMart decision connectable to "agenda 21"?

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    Mr. Mayor, I believe Walmart was Agenda 1, created to raise much needed sales tax revenue. I can't of any locally owned, independent businesses that will be negatively impacted. In fact, if the traffic Walmart generates can be leveraged by our other core business areas, it could be a big benefit.

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Do you mean Agenda 21, or did you mean "Agenda 1?"

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    It was sarcastic play on the term

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Mr.P: OK, I think I get it;-).

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Agenda 21 is real, but it's being used to create paranoia about sustainability. The sustainability movement started way before 1992. It might have started even before the U.N. It probably started in America too, because we actually had something special to sustain--amazing lands and natural wonders. If you want a good read, pick up a copy of Aldo Leopold's collection of essays, "A Sand County Almanac and Sketches Here and There." One of the best and uniquely American pieces of non-fiction ever written.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 1:22 pm

    Thanks Rick, unfortunately I'm about five years behind on my reading. All I'm trying to figure out is if there is something sinister about agenda 21 that I'm missing. Apparently a lot of people believe this is serious conspiracy.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    Mr.P: I intended that to be a new comment and not directed at you. The DR commenting system has some bugs.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    Mr.P: But while I'm at it, do pick up a copy from the bookstore or library. Or just Google it, or him. The book is a classic. A thin volume in some of the easiest prose you'll ever read. I wish I had Leopold's gift.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 1:02 pm

    Mayor Sanchez: Well, at least your comment proves you don't know anything about Agenda 21. The problem, however, is you SHOULD know something about it, other than the fact that your good friend George G. talks about it at meetings where he heckles you and the council ad nauseum. Someone in your position needs to know what is going on around you, so you can make good decisions. You and all our elected officials should learn enough about it to make decisions that affect all of us for the betterment of our society. This is a world-wide effort, with the United Nations at its core. Our previous presidents have comitted to it in varying degrees and ways over the years. Were they duped? What are the goals of Agenda 21? Do you intend to find out? Enquiring minds want to know.

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  • SweeperJune 02, 2014 - 7:16 am

    I would agree that Agenda 21 is real however as with most pie in the sky big goverment programs it presumes that the people can not look after their own land. We already have too many goverment agencys telling us what we can and cannot do on our goverment land now its seems the plan is to controll us even on our own properety. As a Freedom loving American I want to know what the Hell Agenda 21 has in store for me and I want to know where the elected officals stand on this.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 8:07 am

    Are there any examples of instances where Agenda 21 had directly forced anyone to do anything?

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 8:49 am

    Apparently, it is the reason we now have traffic lights on our freeway on ramps.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 9:01 am

    OMG! Stop the madness.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 9:14 am

    Mr. P, i agree. If these traffic lights are Agenda 21, then i want no part of it. I can see why the tea partiers are so hopping mad. Maybe a "Just say no to traffic lights" campaign should be the tea party's next bold move. They can shut down traffic just like they did congress.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 9:28 am

    Because there are so many "enlightened" folks who think like Kirchubel, Agenda 21 has apparently become "sustainable" in the US. We all need to get better informed about this movement.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 10:07 am

    Mr. Smith, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Agenda 21 simply suggestions and recommendations to address the problems associated with a growing world population? My understanding is that is no requirement for compliance.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 10:47 am

    Mr. P: From my limited knowledge ( for now), there is no legal mandate--at least until the underlying philosophy seeps its way into our policy-making bodies and representatives minds. One pretty concise explanation of the background, contents and threat posed by Agenda 21 is on the "democrats against un agenda 21 dot com" website (hopefully this will survive the censor).

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Mr.S: Are you sure "Agenda 21" didn't have its origins in the U.S.? Maybe instead of something being imposed on us, it's an idea the rest of the world wishes to adopt from us.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    It must be why Suisun Valley isn't a sea of rooftops by now. The waste!

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 8:57 am

    I was looking forward to a discussion about this Agenda 21 and all i found was a bunch of out-of-context quotes. Apparently"sustainability" is the devil's work. I think most people would appreciate higher mileage cars and solar power as opposed to coal. How about giving us readers some real Agenda 21 projects and discussing their merits vs. costs.

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  • TPP'rJune 02, 2014 - 12:25 pm

    Mr. Kirchubel: Please cite proof that the quotes in Mr. Heal's column are "a bunch of out-of-context quotes." or that they convey any meaning other that what the words say.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 12:40 pm

    What proof do you need? The fact that they are quotes without context should be proof enoigh that they sre "out of context." What is your tea party definition of "out of context?" Your challenge makes as much sense as earl's article explaining Agenda 21.

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  • TPP'rJune 02, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    I need something more than your "Because I told you so!" Your evasive answer indicates you believe that any quote not in the entire body of text in which it resides cannot be trusted or is somehow untrue. How disingenuous of you. How convenient for you to sling an accusation then hide behind obfuscation to avoid having to justify what you say. Stop fiddling around with words and stand your ground...or leave the field as a loser.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    Franklin, how do you define "out of context?" Feel free to proclaim and crown yourself "winner" of anything you want, except the facts.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Could someone please do what earl's article promised, and that is provide us with some history and FACTS about Agenda 21? If there is something we should be aware of other than high mileage cars and traffic lights, please let us know what you are so afraid of.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    If you really were interested you would have at least Googled it by now. Or maybe you have, and are whistling past the graveyard again. Awareness, my friend. Awareness. Tsk. Tsk.

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 7:27 pm

    Earl doesn't even provide enough information in most cases so we can find the context.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 7:28 pm

    str, your thoughts?

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 7:35 pm

    Noooooo!

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 7:36 pm

    LOL. Just thought I'd try to liven things up.

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Mr.P: On the bright side, it's a good test. If she doesn't show up now, we will know maybe the Enforcer finally did his job, or maybe she finally kept her repeated promise and left. I do hope, however, she is well.

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  • AlfJune 02, 2014 - 4:21 pm

    Just check it out on Wikipedia :)......

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 4:40 pm

    Alf: They already have, and they apparently don't like what they saw. Therefore, the all-too-familiar liberal stonewall, elevated to an art form by Obama and all his local imitators on this board. Wait till the other shoe drops on the Bergdahl fiasco. Obama bypasses congress to make a Rose Garden hero out of an army deserter (and his CO parents) whose treasonous behavior caused the deaths of several of his fellow soldiers. Meanwhile five of the most notorious Taliban leaders being held at Gitmo were released to continue their war against the US. All this for a chance to look good before the upcoming elections. I can't wait to hear Carney and his successor spin this one. They just can't seem to get it right.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    Yes, i have checked it out. I even have an autographed copy from that santa rosa woman who spoke at your tea partylast year. I just dont see a lot of real stuff to be afraid of. Please let us know what you are afraid of.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    Let me try this again and see if the comment comes up in the right place: Agenda 21 is real, but it's being used to create paranoia about sustainability. The sustainability movement started way before 1992. It might have started even before the U.N. It probably started in America too, because we actually had something special to sustain--amazing lands and natural wonders. If you want a good read, pick up a copy of Aldo Leopold's collection of essays, "A Sand County Almanac and Sketches Here and There." One of the best and uniquely American pieces of non-fiction ever written.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 6:38 pm

    Let's say that Agenda 21 started with Teddy Roosevelt and Yellowstone National Park. Any disagreements?

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    At least. You could go back to Abraham Lincoln and Yosemite Valley. We are blessed. May we always be sustainable.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    I'll go with the native Americans and ten thousand years of sustainable growth.

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  • Rick WoodJune 03, 2014 - 3:29 pm

    Mike: I agree. No one should doubt that native Americans influenced European thinking about man's relationship to the land. Rousseau comes to mind. But the American conservation ethic and related science didn't come along until later.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 6:58 pm

    There you have it, folks. Kirchubel and his fellow travelers have checked Agenda 21 out and have declared it to be nothing more than the equivalent of creating a national park by a former president. Though it is not surprising that they see nothing to be concerned about in 2014, it only means that they are in agreement with the stated goals of Agenda 21, so to these left-wing puddin' heads, of course there is nothing to be concerned about. For the rest of us, and all of the elected officials like Mayor Sanchez, I recommend increased vigilance.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    Yes, there you have it folks, someone with "limited knowledge" crying that the sky is falling and everybody should be afraid of this, while others are simply asking, "what is it that we should be afraid of?" If earl had done his job and provided some history and facts, as promised, we woul all know what to fear. As of now, Mr. S, you are simply fearing the unknown.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 7:36 pm

    Mike: Eternal vigilance is the price a free society must pay in order to remain free. I am only asking that all of us become educated about, and aware of, this world-wide movement that could prove detrimental to the freedoms most of us believe in. Obviously, you don't agree with that. Fine. The rest of us will carry your weight, too.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 02, 2014 - 7:45 pm

    Mr. S, we have much more ro fear from the plutocrats than from our national parks and Priuses. If your tea party would focus on real threats, i would be more alert to the creeping vegetation consuming our parking lots.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Mr.S: That's a leap. Sustainability is much more than national parks. We were talking about the origins of the movement, not all of its manifestations.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 02, 2014 - 7:34 pm

    I'm sure you could find Agenda 21 attributes at Jamestown.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 7:44 pm

    Mr.P: How so? I always thought of the early settlers as survivors. They weren't thinking about sustainability of the planet. Resources were rich and seemingly inexhaustible in their lifetime. You wouldn't have found me in 17th Century Jamestown thinking about a land ethic!

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  • Mr. SmithJune 02, 2014 - 7:46 pm

    Perhaps you were talking about the (supposed) origins of the movement. I was talking about the reality of 2014. And by the way, your comedy routine with Mr. Practical sucks, so don't give up your day jobs! Over and out.

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  • Rick WoodJune 02, 2014 - 9:57 pm

    Mr.S: And I wasn't really trying to be funny! The origins of Agenda 21 ARE significant to today because of how people perceive it. You can't narrow the discussion to avoid inconvenient truths. Have you read "A Sand County Almanac?"

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 8:30 am

    Rick: No, I haven't read that. Have you read anything that lays out the UN Agenda 21 scope and purpose? THAT is what this thread is about. You cannot derail the discussion by equating Agenda 21 with some well-meaning and prescient environmentalists who, over the years set out to preserve nature's beauty and hug a few trees along the way. Apples and oranges (organically and sustainably grown, of course).

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  • Rick WoodJune 03, 2014 - 11:34 am

    I've read about Agenda 21 online and see nothing to fear and a lot to admire. Your turn. There is a lot more to associate Aldo Leopold and Agenda 21 than you think. You'll never get it if you think Agenda 21 is something being imposed on us and not American culture influencing the rest of the world.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 11:42 am

    Oh, goody. Now we can all stop worrying.

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  • Rick WoodJune 03, 2014 - 11:49 am

    I stopped worrying about this one a long time ago. I'm merely trying to help you find serenity as well using the same path I did. I read "A Sand County Almanac" in 1970 or thereabouts, in college. It's shaped my thinking for years.

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  • rlw895June 02, 2014 - 6:52 pm

    So this is how this "controversy" came about: The people who wish to exploit our lands and environment weren't getting anywhere with the direct approach because of our government's regulations and protections, so they had to be indirect and subversive. The U.N., which so many conservative Americans love to hate, gave them a gift! "Agenda 21," the sinister-sounding U.N. white paper about sustainability. Now, by stoking the paranoia some Americans feel about the U.N., the exploiters (the anti-sustainability guys) can enlist a whole bunch of recruits to their cause. People get scared, they turn off their brains. Remember the MX missile system? Sounded pretty scare to people, which is why the opponents loved that name. But if the government had called it the Minuteman III, it might have been a different story. STOP talking about the U.N. and "Agenda 21." Go back to talking about sustainability and environmental protection.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Bingo! My thoughts exactly. Maybe we should look into who funded this political paranoia. If we figure that out, their true monetary motivation may become obvious. That would be a very relevant historical fact that Earl could have presented. I guess he didn't have any space left over for his "facts and history" after all those out of context quotes.

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  • CD BrooksJune 03, 2014 - 8:25 am

    Good stuff! Nice day for a drive...

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 8:50 am

    I found this after 0.00001 seconds of Googling. It didn't really take much effort: "It isn't difficult to understand why the men behind Koch Industries -- a major emitter of carbon and other pollution -- would be interested in discrediting a sustainability initiative. For example, the Koch’s have been major funders of efforts to discredit climate science in order to scuttle regulatory action on greenhouse gas pollution. A 2010 Greenpeace report documented how the Kochs contributed more than $48.5 million from 1997 to 2008 to a network of several dozen think tanks that work to sow doubt about manmade climate change. It is pretty clear that there are direct connections from the American Policy Center to The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, (CFACT , which is funded by right wing foundations and big oil, not to mention Daimler Chrysler and Ford in the past. It is also clear that the anti-agenda 21, anti-sustainability movement is punching way above its weight in terms of public awareness and support. It's not a grass roots movement of concerned local activists, but, as Robin Rather puts it, "a brilliant campaign, preying on real fears that people have" about their homes and property. How do we fight this? Lessons from Proposition 23: One of the reasons that California's Proposition 23, which would have suspended air pollution controls, was defeated was that it became clear that the whole thing was being funded by oil companies and Koch Industries. As the Bay Citizen reported, "Opponents of the measure successfully painted Prop. 23 as the handiwork of out-of-state oil companies bent on messing with California’s laws." Bike lanes, transit and higher density are evil because they give people alternatives to cars, and that can never happen in America. Fundamentally, that is what is happening here. Big Oil is paying for CFACT and either directly or indirectly the fight against Agenda 21; The Kochs are promoting it like mad, right across the country. Same big companies, same reason: to keep America in its happy motoring ways, to make any alternative just about impossible. And that is how we have to paint them: not concerned citizens worried about the United Nations, but representatives of big oil out to preserve their turf."

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 8:59 am

    How's that for some REAL facts and history about Agenda 21, Earl? Please be aware that much of the stuff you and your tea party people are peddling as "Patriotic" is nothing more than corporate propaganda designed to make middle class workers vote against their own best interests. Wake up.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 9:04 am

    You source, oh master Googler? You didn't identify the source of your "facts."

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 10:49 am

    Does your computer have internet connections and access to Google? You seem to be so worried about facts but never seem to have the inclination or possibly the ability/skill-set to push the right buttons. Why don't you ask Earl to put context to his quotes? Why don't you ask Earl to provide his sources? He wrote, or rather, copied and pasted the article. He's the one who should be providing "facts and history."

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  • Yes, Mikey, it's me again.June 03, 2014 - 11:22 am

    Poor Mikey. He just can't stand for anyone else to have a voice in the DR. Since his own brand of malarkey is getting stale, his only recourse now is to attack anyone else who dares to try to play in his play pen.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    I can't tell anymore. Your screeches sound the same. Is this Franklin Delano or Richie Rich?

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 03, 2014 - 1:33 pm

    This has become significantly less entertaining than STR posting 100 YouTube videos.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 2:13 pm

    I agree. Maybe we could get The Enforcer to issue a reprieve to StR. I have no idea what the next Alex Jones show will be about, and that troubles me a great deal.

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 03, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    And I need my illuminati fix.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 3:34 pm

    That's who I would guess started screeching. Noooo! Will you stop doing your StR dance?

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  • Mr. PracticalJune 03, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    From now on when threads go south like this one did, I'm going to try to bring STR into the conversation. I prefer her babbling over this babbling.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 3:43 pm

    Who's babbbbbling?

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Mr. Practical: It is obvious that once Mr. Wood and Rlw decide to re-direct the original focus of a thread they will babble unceasingly, but in the wrong direction. Why not give credit to pre-historic man who did not even have a fire to cook over, and thus did not add carbon emissions to the atmosphere? Yes, that's it. THEY were the first to espouse the tenets of what is today known as Agenda 21. All is well.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    That's Mr.S; high of fear mongering, low on analysis. And impatient with analysis that seems to address why we shouldn't be afraid.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 2:28 pm

    I cannot find: •“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” – Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the U.N. Earth Summit, 1992." It doesn't appear in his opening statement and appears to be a figment of a right - wing "think" tank's imagination. Can you please provide a reference, Mr. Heal?

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 11:29 am

    Master Googler: I referenced Google to YOU yesterday. Now you're accusing ME of not being capable of doing any research? Just proves my (now ancient) point, you don't read other people's posts--only your own. Is the echo getting to you yet?

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 11:40 am

    Yes, Mike, provide Mr.S with the link, or at least what key words you used.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 11:51 am

    It's not hard to do. I use the easiest way to get there. Try: funding anti agenda 21

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 12:36 pm

    Can't wait to read Mr. Heal's retraction next week.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    Now that WOULD be news you could believe in. It's rare when people retract their faith, but when they do, you can put it in the bank.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Perhaps I should write a column titled: "REAL facts and history on Agenda 21" I could retract Earl's column for him. It's been two years since I wrote about the politics of anti - Agenda 21, this time I could talk about who's funding it and to what selfish end. I could also mention how these wealthy families count on the scared, low information voters to vote against their own self interests and for the wealthy. Sounds good.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Mike: The Right Stuff is making your job easier. All you have to do is blow that week's column out of the water, even if you only reissue much from earlier columns. Saves a lot of writing time.

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Wow! there are no sites, other than anti-Agenda 21 sites, that have any of these quotes. There seems to be no original source material. No U.N documents, no Clinton era documents, etc. and Earth First is hardly a U.N. or government organization, it's a radical environmental group. Really Earl, this is what you are presenting to the public as separating fact from opinion? In fact, Earl's last quote only appears in one spot on the internet: Earl's article. Earl, or any of his followers, can you give us any original references?

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  • Mike KirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    Wow. What a major embarrassment.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    It's what can happen when a writer uses untrustworthy secondary sources; the primary sources may not exist! How do we find the context when there isn't any!?! The DR should be on this one our of journalistic integrity. I'm actually hoping it's not that bad, Mike.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 4:09 pm

    RLW, i'm sensing a double standard here.

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  • SPJune 03, 2014 - 7:28 pm

    OK, smartasses: We have in hand "Global Biodiversity Assessment" published for the United Nations Environment Programme by Cambridge University Press, 1995. It is1140 pages, set in 10 or 12 point type, has an absolutely worthless index, and weighs 8.086 pounds. In places too numerous to cite it states unequivocally and also implies heavily what is quoted regarding "ski lifts" and so forth. If you would care to inform yourselves so that you will tone down your attacks and abate the mutual admiration you have for each other, please have a go at this massive tome. If you read it objectively, it will curdle your blood. It can be summarized in 4 words: They Want Our Stuff.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    Thanks, SP. You have nailed it. But because Rlw, Kirchubel, et al have their collective craniums up their nether regions, they play right into the hands of those who would cripple our nation and our way of life via enviro-warfare and transfer of our wealth (and power) to the parts of the world who would love to see the US groveling in the dust. And they want us to facilitate it willingly!

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 8:53 pm

    Any port in a storm, eh, Mr.S? SP has thrown you a lifeline! Grab it! But be careful; it may be attached to an anchor.

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  • Mr. SmithJune 03, 2014 - 9:22 pm

    Rlw: SP's comment was timely and right on target--but I wasn't aware I needed a lifeline in this discussion. Just an ally, since Mr. Heal is apparently above the fray here. Jump on in Mr. Heal! The water's fine. Regardless--it has been a fun discussion, and now we all know how dumb we are. Thanks to the amazing insights of our respective antagonists. Lol!

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  • mike kirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 10:14 pm

    Yes, mr. Heal, please jump in. Your article has been ripped to shreds and all the right wing horses and all the right wing men cant put it back together again.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 8:51 pm

    SP: Are you saying all those quotes are from that document? And no, I'm not about be baited in to getting it, let alone read it. Life is too short.

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  • mike kirchubelJune 03, 2014 - 9:03 pm

    Ok, mr. S and sp, you said that it "implird" that earls quote was accurate. Yeah, thats close enough for who? Where are the quotes? Earl used quotes, where are they from? You netter read that booklet again.

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  • rlw895June 03, 2014 - 9:06 pm

    SP: Well, I guess you are the opposite of a smartass then. What is that anyway? So, “they want our stuff.” Even if that were true for whomever “they” are, it wouldn’t be news. “They” can’t have our stuff, at least not without doing something for it. Now what? But I doubt if your four-word summary is accurate. It’s clearly designed for the opposite-of-smartasses like you so you turn up the fear and down the thinking. But we’ve already been over that. Smartasses don’t fall for it; they go right on thinking, as amply demonstrated in these comments.

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