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Putting out the fire with gasoline

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From page A7 | March 05, 2012 |

The Fox News headline read last Wednesday: “Thanks to Mr. Obama, America is running on empty.” The story, written by Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, blames President Obama for the high price of gasoline and outlined the usual right-wing talking points: he stalled the Keystone Pipeline, he cut back on oil drilling and he wasted tax money on foolish dreams of renewable energy. With gas prices around $4 a gallon, everybody in Fairfield, and I’m sure across this nation, is justifiably irritated and keen to pin blame.

But before pointing the fickle finger of fault, let’s take a fair and balanced look at why gas prices are so high.

Typically, gasoline prices are a function of crude oil costs, distribution costs and layers of taxes. Taxes and distribution costs are fairly constant, but crude prices vary wildly. American crude prices hit $110 a barrel last Thursday, rapidly approaching their 2008, Bush-era historical highs. With Middle East wars, internal revolutions and economic sanctions against Syria and Iran, commodity hedgers and speculators are understandably nervous about energy supplies and bid crude prices higher. Add to that the threatened closure of the Straits of Hormuz by an irate Iran and the predictable follow-up war, and you’ve got one painful gas bubble.

Oil prices jumped Thursday after Iranian TV reported a Saudi Arabian pipeline explosion. The report proved false, but Iran had a hearty laugh, while making some extra oil money.

U.S. domestic oil production peaked at 9 million barrels per day in 1971 and dropped to a low of 4.9 million barrels under President Bush in 2008. Today, we are at about 5.7 million barrels per day and rising rapidly, while U.S. demand for oil is simultaneously falling. Falling oil demand is a “good news/bad news” result of more fuel-efficient cars, renewable energy and this dragging recession. Gasoline consumption maxed out in the SUV heyday of 2007 at 9.3 million barrels per day and is currently down to 8.7 million.

So, what about the infamous Keystone Pipeline extension?

Let’s pretend that the extension had already been built, and more Canadian crude could be transported to the U.S. Would that extra crude lower gas prices? You tell me: U.S. oil storage facilities are already loaded. The U.S. currently has almost 2 billion barrels of crude waiting to be refined. Would another half-million barrels, or one-four-thousandth more, make an appreciable difference? America’s gas tank has been topped-off and is spilling over. America is not “running on empty.”

If you’ve been taking notes, which I strongly suggest, you’ll recall that in my Jan. 30 Daily Republic column, “Keystone XL reality check,” I wrote: “. . . America currently has an excess of refined oil products. To prevent a domestic glut, refiners are now shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel overseas, keeping fuel pump prices elevated and oil company profits high.” Last year, for the first time since 1949, the U.S. exported more refined oil products than we imported. In fact, we exported a net average of 439,000 barrels per day. Every day. Dang, that’s a lot of gasoline. American oil refinery production problems, distribution and the ongoing industry monopolization are also extremely pertinent topics to address here, but they deserve more space.

One more thing, America is already awash in crude, but if President Obama announced he was authorizing tapping our nation’s strategic oil reserve, those words would rattle the commodity speculators and temporarily reduce prices at our gas pumps. Unfortunately, bluffing is a strategy with rapidly diminishing returns. If you were president, would you play that card now, or wait until summer, when seasonal prices trend higher?

Mike Kirchubel grew up in Fairfield and is the author of “Vile Acts of Evil – Banking in America.” He can be reached at mikirch@comcast.net.

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 05, 2012 - 6:18 am

    So, are you saying that our dependency on foreign oil effecting gas prices is just a myth?

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 9:10 am

    no.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 05, 2012 - 3:10 pm

    Brad/Glen, not sure why my comment is being moderated...twice?

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  • CD BrooksMarch 05, 2012 - 5:05 pm

    Throw some fire on this gas: Better shut down the Catholic church with this whack job running around! What is wrong with those people in Wisconsin? This guy is textbook Conservative and why the GOP better watch their back! Like I said, DNA… http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/30610103/detail.html

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  • CD BrooksMarch 05, 2012 - 5:07 pm

    And last but not least: Good old Pat! http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/pat-robertson-says-people-could-have-stopped-deadly-tornadoes-through-prayer Geez, wake up folks.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 6:36 am

    The Secret Life of Machines Season 2 - Episode 1 - The Internal Combustion Engine Educational series presented by Tim Hunkin and Rex Garrod. *****http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83z--znNBcA***** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83z--znNBcA

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 8:42 am

    NOTE: No really major technical innovations since 1883 ?

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  • GeorgeMarch 05, 2012 - 6:45 am

    Excellent article Mike. Good job providing the facts that Fox News listeners will never here. Also of significance is that speculators no longer have to take delivery of their product. Which means banks like Goldman Sachs can control large portions of these commodities artificially inflating the prices. So each time you fill up know that some significant portion of your cost is going to line the pockets of more Wall Street bankers and Hedge fund managers.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 7:51 am

    George..If I may intrude on you and Kirchubels mutual admiration society for a moment..Obama's energy policy or lack thereof has been faulted by both the oil industry and environmentalists..Any increase in oil production under Obama has been because of policies and leases granted under the Bush administration.That's fact...Obama has shut off,shut down or delayed more oil production since Jimmy Carter.A recent study by the American Consumer Institute shows 351 major energy projects delayed or cancelled by Obama to the tune of 1.9million jobs and 1.1 trillion in lost revenue..yeah good article Mike..did the DNC write it for you?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 8:50 am

    According to the ENERGY INFORMATION ASSOC. For 2011 oil production in US decreased 220K/barrels/day..and projects for the gulf alone..production will decrease 150 million barrels for 2012...Don't know how you can say Obama is promoting oil production when he all but admits it's ananthema to him..

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:11 am

    @ Gary Caravaggio Does this mean anything to you?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 7:39 am

    Every oil man has drilled a dry well and heard the sucking of the wind,but Kirchubel seems to be making it a second career...To paraphrase Mark Twain(he'd be moderated here) there are 3 kinds of lies ..little lies,big lies,and statistics..and Kirchubel pretty much covers all 3 in his farce of an article.TBC.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 8:14 am

    Thanks, George. As usual, the Fox Jocky is repeating lines from the right-wing entertainers. Gary, they have to say things like it's George Bush's forward thinking that caused the spike in U.S. oil production. If they didn't, they'd have to praise Obama and that is the one thing they cannot do. Look at the graph. Bush had 8 years of tumbling crude production in the U.S. wake up and smell the lies.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 8:42 am

    The talking points are available for each side of the argument..the facts are glaring..Obama is benefiting from Bush's leases which are about to expire..people like Jonesey who say "good article"..but gripe about 4.10/gal gas..perhaps people want to know why gas prices have doubled under O bama if he has such a great energy program..you can't just say right wing Foxisms..You're paying more for gas..and you'll be paying more..

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 8:51 am

    Why don't you read the article. The big refiners are shipping gas overseas and profitng twice - here and abroad. This is something you won't hear on Fox because they would rather you not reelect Obama. Their misinformation strategy has a purpose.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 9:08 am

    And isn't that the main purpose of extenting the Keystone pipeline to the Gulf?...

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 12:56 pm

    @Kirchey...Your columns are not exactly shovel ready..but certainly trash can worthy

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:00 pm

    I'm too well to read your articles..I glaze over..there pretty much all the same..not one reliable fact and all in the tank for the man of hope and change..yopu never did answer me when I said you were originally a Hillary boy..I bet just about all the libbys on this site were.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 8:23 am

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/gull_island_oil.html Alaska’s Gull Island Oil Fields Could Power U.S. for 200 Years By Mark Anderson “Crude oil is the real ‘currency’ of the world,” said Lindsey Williams at a gathering of the Midwest Concerned Citizens group in Kansas City on July 22. But Americans will never hear about huge oil and gas reserves in the United States, which, if ever tapped, would bring today’s fuel prices at least as low as $1.50 per gallon and make America more energy independent. As a Baptist missionary in the 1970s, Williams said he rubbed elbows with members of the world’s power elite—who boasted of detailed 30-year and 50-year plans to control the flow of oil and information. A huge quantity of crude oil and natural gas exists under Gull Island, located in the waters of Prudhoe Bay in Alaska, says Williams. He cited key British Petroleum memoranda and related the statements of upper echelon oil officials who told him that Gull Island would be kept under wraps, limiting domestic supplies so Americans would someday see prices hit up to $10 a gallon at the pump. “Every issue in the world today relates to crude oil,” said Williams. The U.S. occupation of Iraq and the saber rattling about attacking Iran fit into the crude oil matrix. Iran is being targeted because it’s one of several countries that want to use their own currencies for oil sales, rather than using the U.S. dollar. Williams told AFP that any country that doesn’t want to “play ball” with the U.S. government and the financial and oil interests is, in essence, put on a hit list.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 8:24 am

    The United States, he said, learned that Iran intended to form its own bourse and not use the dollar for oil sales. Therefore, the notion that Iran is a menacing “almost-nuclear” country was trumped up, presented as fact via the corporate media and Iran is now in the crosshairs. Other nations wanting more independence from U.S. meddling include Norway, Venezuela, Nigeria, Bolivia, Sweden and Russia. The 30-year plan, which was first proposed three decades ago and is nearing fruition, included smug assurances from oil officials that the United States will triple its crude-oil usage and alternative fuels will not be allowed to gain enough ground to make a difference. They also noted that all foreign oil production will be scaled back to the United States and that Americans soon will pay $4 to $5 a gallon at the pump and could pay as much as $7 to $10 down the road. In the early 1960s crude oil was selected as a tool of world control, Williams said, adding, “What we pay at the gas pump is a form of taxation.” The American consumer’s dependence on crude oil thus far has enabled people from foreign oil-producing nations to buy T-bills (U.S. treasury notes) in order to support the U.S. national debt and continued deficit spending. The need to support that debt puts the U.S. government in a bind, forcing Americans to remain dependent on foreign oil.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 8:25 am

    Williams, as a chaplain in 1970 when the trans-Alaskan oil pipeline was finished, ministered among the pipeline workers. However, as time passed he made a favorable impression with the top brass and was asked to improve worker-company relations. Next thing he knew, he said he was sitting at meetings of the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and various meetings of oil executives over a three-year period. He told AFP that the IMF-World Bank acts as a middleman between oil producing nations and refineries. In so doing, they set oil prices, he said. The big event in that three-year period was in 1977 when an Atlantic Richfield oil executive told him, “We have just drilled into the largest pool of oil in North America—[and] in the world!” That pool was Gull Island. It was said that there was enough natural gas to supply America for 200 years. But to this day, “not one drop” of that oil has been released to American refineries, Williams said. Williams said the executive had warned him that the Gull Island find was highly classified. Do not repeat any of this, he was told. Obviously, that warning did not stop him. (Issue #33, August 14, 2006)

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:06 am

    http://205.254.135.7/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 8:27 am

    Another great article Mike... Rock on Ronnie...You Will be Missed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN0-CRDdsw4

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 8:43 am

    ■Top Republicans blame President Obama’s moratorium on deepwater drilling for rising gasoline prices. The moratorium delayed drilling of some new wells, but did not affect the output of wells already in production. A projected drop in total domestic oil production this year should amount to six-tenths of 1 percent of all U.S. consumption of liquid fuels. A Wall Street oil analyst told us the moratorium has had “zero” effect on prices. ■Obama said domestic oil production last year was its highest since 2003. That’s true — but U.S. oil production is projected to drop this year. ■Rep. Kevin McCarthy said “under this administration our output has gone down 13 percent.” McCarthy is wrong — U.S. oil production was up in 2009 and 2010, and is projected to decline only 2 percent this year. ■Sarah Palin said Obama is “allowing America to remain increasingly dependent on imports” from unstable countries. But there has been a decline — not an increase — in total oil imports from Middle Eastern and African countries, as well as countries identified by the State Department as “dangerous or unstable,” since Obama took office.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:42 am

    Good God...there you go again..now you believe a Wall Streeter when it suits you..Obama has decreased Federal land drilling by 40%..You yourself said current producing wells are going strong..since it takes 3-5 yrs or more for wells to get up to speed you just admitted it was Bush's efforts..But the real effort is from the private sector..they are working hard in spite of Obama not because of him.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Gary, more Fox lies being repeated by you. From a petroleum industry website: "Although rotary drilling techniques came into their own over a hundred years ago, the technologies used to apply them have evolved dramatically within the past decade. Formations that a few years ago would have been unreachable are now targeted almost routinely, and wells that once would have taken months to drill are completed in a matter of weeks at a fraction of the cost. " Please, tell us some more so we can put them to rest and move the conversation foeward.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:35 am

    Yes science moves on so..what?...my arguments are made at the pump..not in your spinderella left wing warblings...

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 10:43 am

    Your "arguments" are made on Fox. I'll ask again: please let me know what little foundational underpinnigs do you want me to destroy? As for your " at the pump" side ztep, i'll again refer you to the article and ask you what part weren't you able to understand?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:31 pm

    Oh I just re-read this..you're talking about time to get a well up and running.you're so wrong..I have a friend who is in the oil industry..you'd know his last name if I mentioned it..it can take 6-8wks or longer just to get mandatory equipment to a drill site..this is after all the redundant paperwork imposed by a fossil hating administration..Now your web site was obviously talking about land drilling..talk deep water drilling and you're talking years to get up and running..BTW 7 major rigs have left the Gulf all together..shut down and and moved on to more friendly environments..you go to web sites..I pick up a phone and talk to a friend who knows about oil exploration first hand...The only oil you know is on your salad......at KFC...

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:17 am

    www.infowars.com

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:26 am

    http://www.triunelastdays.org/salvation

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:29 am

    Fema -- REX-84 -- Operation Cable Splicer --- Operation Garden Plot --- Northcom

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:30 am

    Youtube Project Bluebeam

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:21 am

    Good God..Just stay to basics..Obama wants GREEN GREEN GREEN wait till you see my next post on that..Americans spent 92billion more on gas in 2011 than they did in 2010...Arguing about production,refining,Bush leases..etc..so what.my arguments will be made for me everytime you,Brooks,George,Tshirt go to the pumps..Perhaps not you but the majority of people kniow who to blame.if gas prices were this high during a Republican administration te lame stream media would be having a thrombo..but it's Obama,the media is left and naïve people like Jonesey and Co..are swinging in the breeze..enjoy.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 9:30 am

    Sorry. Your lame arguments are again blown away by the facts. Your voice seems to be trailing off into oblivion. Green, Green, Green - that's the best you can do? Gas prices are going up - true. But is it because of green, green, green, or because the large oil companies are shipping a half million barrels of gas and diesel fuel overseas every day? It's the same thing as shipping jobs overseas for a bit more profit at the expense of the Americans. And you and your right-wing media sources are promoting that unpatriotic behavior by shifting the blame - always to Obama - always.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:33 am

    Some people say the power elite are building up the supply chain for WW3 Which is being set up between the US and China/Russia.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Mike this administration is increasing preparations for Martial Law. Like I've repeatedly stated both sides Dems and Reps at the top are controlled by the international bankers.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:44 am

    Going on your shoes again T-shirt?...Your socks must be soaked..well aware of big oil shipping refined gas overseas..it's called capitalism.it's called making money..Remember a few months ago your boy Obama said"WE want to be Brazils biggest customer for their exported oil"..Your head spinning yet..remember him saying that?..Or was that an Obama impersonator put on TV by FOX???...Such a Git you are...And as for jobs overseas?..check out your. Left wing Obama slobbering APPLE CORP check out their overseas jobs..darn right I blame Obama..and I'll work till the end of the vote count to see this curse defeated in 2012

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 11:01 am

    Wow. Blaming Obama for capitalism. That's stretch even for you. How, exactly, did Fox explain that one to you? I'm looking forward to your response.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:07 pm

    Obama blames the rich for capitalism..as do you and all the jealous wannabe somethings..Ur the one that blames the rich for everything from trade inbalance to your T-shirt..every other word..Rich republicans etc etc...you complained about gas going over seas..profit twice here and there..blah blah..there hope my response was worth your wait..how phony does one get before they just end up meeting themselves in the looking glass

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  • Robert A. FederowiczMarch 05, 2012 - 9:22 am

    Anybody out there remember the gas lines of the 1970s and what caused them? I wonder if it could happen again

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 10:18 am

    Yes, I'm that old. Answer: O.P.E.C. I can also remember gas at 24.9 cents a gallon and giving the gas station attendant $2 really got you a lot - 8 gallons of gas, an oil level check, tire pressure check and additional air if needed, a clean windshield, and some S&H Green stamps.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 9:26 am

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/high-gas-prices-record-profits-big-oil/story?id=13447922

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:49 am

    These aren't "FOXISM" these are "FACTISMS"...between ,09 and '11...Obama handed out 2.6billion in tax free grants to just 4 Co's..all members of American Winf Energy Assoc...Grants..got that?outright charity...Get this 2 of the 4 are foreign owned..OUTLANDISH!!..a third firm TERRA GEN got 542million to build a wind farm that will create only 50 jobs @ 9million a job..It ain't just Solyndra..this is where your money is going...not to oil production..wake up to the lies indeed T-shirt ..Kirchubel is just spewing non facts.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 10:21 am

    Seems to be a bit off topic. Are you sure you aren't trying to shift attention away from gas? Should I do an article about Green, Green, Green? I don't want to take away all your toys, you might get angry and start calling me names.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:09 pm

    You're the one that eats @ KFC..one would think you'd have the problem with gas.

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  • GeorgeMarch 05, 2012 - 9:52 am

    Gary, So you are admitting supply is up. Also American consumer demand is down. So how in the world are prices at the pump going up?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:03 am

    Your boyfriend Kirchubel already said supply is up..I think he said the tanks are overflowing..I never disputed supply..I'm disputing where it came from..It came from efforts during Bush Admin..Obama has done all he could to hinder production..so says Energy Information Assoc and American Consumer Institute..Did Oboy say he wanted to be Brazil's biggest customer or not?..I'm not an oil executive or an analyst so I'm not as "smart" as Kirchey on these subjects..but if I had to guess I'd say the oil giants got together and said..This little snipe of a president sticks it to us?..We'll ship our gas overseas..stick it to the electorate at the pump and kick this pain in the gas outa the white house..I totally support the effort..I even tip the gas attendants..EVEN if I pump my own!

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 11:50 am

    Thank you, Gary for explaining the right-wing stance on higher gas prices. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from your post above, you believe that the big oil companies are shipping their gasoline overseas in order to get rid of Obama - who you refer to as "little snipe" and "shoeshine" - by irritating the electorate with higher gas pump prices. Correct? I could see how that theory would work - you do have some proof, right? Also , you and your rich Republican friends are OK with the higher gas price plan if it means getting rid of Obama - right?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 12:52 pm

    Well I don't remember the "little snipe"..ever?..but I think I've used Shoeshine before...Unlike you I don't speak for other people..I only speak for myself..and Unlike I don't like to repeat myself..and as for me being off point,With Iran,UN,DOE..did you not mention Iran in your sham of an article?..Is not the DOE relevent to Energy prices..and since all I hear about is Global Economy one would think the UN would come in ..in my case it was how the UN gave Iran 5 formal sanctions that were ignored and that the bluster that the little snipe made yesterday will be ignored too..I know I ignored it

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 1:11 pm

    Every once and a while we put in a pickle reference. like that's a dilly or sweet or with relish

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 1:13 pm

    The Xmas version or the "other" version ?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 1:26 pm

    It's just a word game. Something most gits would like playing.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 1:31 pm

    Don't put me in a pickle trying to explain.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 1:37 pm

    Gary, you don't remember "little snipe?" Look up two posts to March 5, 11:03 A.M. Give it a rest. Take an aspirin and go for a walk in the nice, warm sunshine. Looks like another beautiful, mid-70's day in Fairfield.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 2:34 pm

    Better put on a coat Gary...I see it's only 31 degrees in Pittsburg...Look on the bright side...They say it feels like 21...

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  • GeorgeMarch 05, 2012 - 4:29 pm

    OK... looks like Gary was sufficiently backed into a corner trying to explain increased gas prices in spite of increased supply and decreased US consumer demand. It's not really Obama's doing is it. Maybe more of a manipulation by the oil cartel to get back at Obama. Thanks Gary that should have been very instructive to any one else reading this.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:41 pm

    Well there you are George...I'm never backed into corners..especially by intellectual light weights like Kirchubel...Obama's own words and that of his Secretary of Energy confirm everything I've said..It's my wishful thinking and sense of drama that the oil moguls would want to get back at a president that's so predjudiced againast their industry.My advice to you is to split those Prozac pills in half after consulting with your Physician of course.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 12:25 am

    Jeeze, gary. Did the bars close and leave you all alone with your thoughts? No amount of self righteous bloating will ever make you right.

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  • GeorgeMarch 08, 2012 - 8:52 am

    That's why I like blogging. Everyting is on record for verification. The issue at hand here was weather Obama was responsible for the increases in oil prices. When you were informed of the supply and demand facts you admitted the oil companies were likely responsible for the increases in prices. That's called being backed into a corner. The next stage is denying your very own writings and the very corner to which you were backed when its all clearly on public record for all to see. This is something known as cognitive dissonace and we appreciate you wonderful display of the phenomenon for all to witness. Thanks Gary!

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:53 am

    Of course, the real agenda has nothing to do with either democratic freedoms or human rights – as the awry alignment of allies clearly indicates. Rather, this is about Washington and its proxy powers trying to engineer regime change throughout the Arab World and beyond to conform to geopolitical objectives, principally the control of raw energy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria are but a sequence of stops on a global roadmap of permanent war that also swings through Iran. Russia and China are the terminal targets. Washington is evidently prepared to use any means necessary to assert this agenda: illegal wars, death on a massive scale, possibly triggering global war and the use of nuclear weapons. But surely the most preposterous mask is the “war on terror”, when it is seen – from the words of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – that Washington is now openly collaborating with the supposed “terrorist enemy” to bring about regime change in desired countries. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29524 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29524

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:54 am

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29524 Of course, the real agenda has nothing to do with either democratic freedoms or human rights – as the awry alignment of allies clearly indicates. Rather, this is about Washington and its proxy powers trying to engineer regime change throughout the Arab World and beyond to conform to geopolitical objectives, principally the control of raw energy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria are but a sequence of stops on a global roadmap of permanent war that also swings through Iran. Russia and China are the terminal targets.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 9:54 am

    Washington is evidently prepared to use any means necessary to assert this agenda: illegal wars, death on a massive scale, possibly triggering global war and the use of nuclear weapons. But surely the most preposterous mask is the “war on terror”, when it is seen – from the words of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – that Washington is now openly collaborating with the supposed “terrorist enemy” to bring about regime change in desired countries

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:00 am

    The DOE..that's Obama's DOE Kirchubel reports that 16.4 of the 20.5 billion in loans granted by the Ob ama adminstration went to companies run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers that should seal the deal and make you liberals cringe..That's not a FOXISM that's a FACTISM...

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 1:23 pm

    Was Bush & Cheney's buddy Haliburton included this time around?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:23 pm

    On my phone your post reads Bush&amp????...No Halliburton doesn't do green dear.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 4:44 pm

    Does anyone else see "&amp" behind Bush above? Maybe it's because I use & for and? Gary, did you get the "&amp" this time? & & & Any who it just denotes an error (somewhere). Maybe the poster, moi... :)

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:35 pm

    Yep..but I'd forget about..no doubt vast Right Wing conspiracy..BTW this time I only saw. "&amp"..when I believe you purposely typed &amp....weird.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:08 am

    All run by the little community organizer....Clinton and Obama..we got some real winners there...Iran has ignored 5 UN resolutions to halt it's nuclear program..and this jacknape of a president says "he's not blufffing" and I will stop Iran from getting a nuke..got news for you Chicago..they already have a nuke..I'd say by Summer they'll show it to you..maybe do a test using our restored drone that you got a toy model of...

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 10:24 am

    Should I do an article about Iran? The U.N.? The D.O.E.? Let me know what subject you what to talk about next week. The article this week was about gas prices.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:05 am

    Try and do an article about what you know best....ala Seinfeld...an article about nothing...at least your "base" will be able to understand it..

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 11:57 am

    Now gas prices are nothing? Last week they were a big deal to you and your friends at Fox.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:35 pm

    You know it really is quite laughable..because for the exception of Bill O'Reilly(sometimes @ 5AM EST)...and Fox and Friends for only an hour just to get the latest misinformation(like Obama's poster car VOLT has had production suspended because even w/ a 10,000 bribe from Hand out Hussein(I like that his new moniker))NOBODY is buying it..Volt sold 1000 last month while FORD(who never took a gov't dime) sold 20,000 Focuses last month..I watchCNBC for the streaming quotes..you suppose too much..you should quit.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:38 pm

    Gas prices are what they are..I drive a KIA Sportage..I said I'd tip the attendant if high gas prices drown Obama...in fumes of defeat..so what are you blathering about now???

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:18 pm

    And like I said you mention Iran in your artikirchubel..and if the DOE isn't relevant to gas prices ..what would be?..and I threw in the UN...cause it makes your hero look like a fool on a regular basis..

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 10:22 am

    listen via web www.infowars.com

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 12:22 pm

    @Jonsey re Keystone to Gulf..Bubba Clinton gave it his OK that should be all u need right?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 12:26 pm

    @Kirchey..No I got one more....GREEN!

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 1:21 pm

    @Kirchubel..What part of your "article" didn't I understand.?.Good grief man..the second word of your grade school ramblings was "FOX"...you're predictable and boring..that's what I understand

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 1:31 pm

    Right back at you - Fox Boy.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 2:51 pm

    Cutting,slashing wit..I write these down and use em other sites..I mean I just told you I watch CNBC..so I'm CNBC boy..You're FOX boy..they should pay you a fee you mention them so much.It's like you're intellectually bankrupt..

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 1:50 pm

    Can't believe nobody did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpdHMaccjw4&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:07 pm

    It is disturbing that Malcolm McDowell starred in both Cat People and in Kubrick's A Clock Work Orange, with the Dream Machine Chair.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:13 pm

    Illuminati tactics in the extreme

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:18 pm

    For whoever is interested I said I would not be out and about till tomorrow, and then only if I am still feeling better, I was up all last night with a coughing fit. This bout of Flu is really bad.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 2:08 pm

    :) I've caught a few...Can't believe I didn't get that one too...Great number...Doesn't get enough air time & not on my Ipod...Gonna have to change that...

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:19 pm

    So you think this is funny?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:24 pm

    That our own "government" tortured children and "split" their brains. Some of the most diabolical evil that has ever taken place.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:30 pm

    They also attach demons to the personalities. People demons do exist. And if Demons exist then God and Angels exist also. There is a Dark Master Read Revelation in the Bible.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 2:35 pm

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/if_chapter2.htm

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 2:56 pm

    Can't believe Kirchubel can justify 17 out of 20 billion Since Sept 15 in loan grants went to Obama's friends...That source is the Daily Beast(a liberal web site) reporting on DOE numbers...Why is that Kirchey isn't that poltical cronyism at it's height..it's only one of many facts you NEVER address..except with cries..of Foxism,right wing rant,..again I ask just address one..one that I can't slap down....cause you can't...

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 1:48 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f99YKyrOmc

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 1:58 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77W__4IWnA

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 3:05 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpnaLJ-jn1k

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 3:21 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29_RZ82aZ6A&feature=related

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:05 pm

    @ Kirchey Yeah I said "little snipe" today...what's wrong with you?..I never said it on any prior day..and if by chance I did..well I forgot..but he is a little snipe and that's a compliment

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:11 pm

    @STR..And where pray tell would the venue be for this pickle game ?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 5:24 pm

    Never mind I guess a simple word game is turning out to be to provacative. Not worth the bread and butter. I abandon the concept with relish. What is your time committment for finishing this job of countering Mike's column? Till November?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:29 pm

    @Jonesey..look at our weather for the rest of the week love..and while you're at it google some pics of this amazing city..our housing is just doing fine...yours?..Andre Previn..a former conductor of our symphony and a man who has lived all over the world..said he saw no more beautiful city than Pittsburgh from his apt on Mt. Washington..No one leaves here happily dear and they always want to come back...just one great town..a walking town..like London..just a mile square if that...in the middle just like London...

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 4:10 pm

    Are you refering to the Forbes List or the EIU list?... On the Forbes the top five also include Omaha & Lincoln Nebraska... Ever been to Nebraska?...I lived in Omaha for two years...LOL...What a hole... I've Been to Lincoln many times...It' under a hole...You can have them both...Pittsburg has great company on that list... Fairfield is too small to make any list...But it is just a short drive to SF, home to the Americas Cup. Just a short drive to Napa & Sac as well. And if we want snow we are an 1-11/2 hours away from Tahoe & world class skiing (well maybe not this year). And every once in a while we get a free roller coaster ride like the 4.0 we got this morning. :)

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 4:14 pm

    And you can't beat our Mediterranean Style climate also...Does it get Humid in Pittsburgh?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:45 pm

    Pittsburgh has been listed as number one at least twice and I think 3 times..yes by Forbes and Places Visited Magazine...again just Google..I can take the East,the West,the North and some of the South..The "mid west"???..no thank you..I'm too close to it as it is..

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:33 pm

    @ Kirchubel regarding oil....answer this question if you can "What's the first thing you know"?.....Go ahead I'm interested in your thoughts..just this once

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 3:38 pm

    @Kirchubel...Here's an example of shoeshine not sharing the polish..the DNC just told Congressional candidates they won't be sharing in any of Obama's campaign cash???..Obama is telling them.like he's telling all you liberals.."You're on your own baby"...Generous guy huh..guess should pay their fair share..but Hand Out Hussein doesn't share.

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  • SteveMarch 05, 2012 - 5:16 pm

    Sorry, late to the party. Where to start? Without too much fanfare here we go.... 1) Domestic oil production increases in proportion to crude oil prices as hard to get oil becomes economically feasible to pump. 2) Domestic oil production under Bush declined because gas prices were LOW and it was cheaper to import oil. 3) Even by Mike's account domestic oil USE exceeds production AND refining capacity. Any hiccup in the world oil market or the refining process is going to spike oil prices 4) The last US oil refinery was built decades ago. Could it be that the environmentalists and overregulation have something to do with that? 5) If Keystone is built, it adds oil capacity to the world market. Please explain how adding supply, even if it goes overseas, will negatively affect oil prices? 6) Is there anyone out there logically arguing against a combination of drilling, expansion of refining capacity, alternative energy and battery power? Any of the candidates say any of these are off the table? This column is another example of storytelling with statistics.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 6:33 pm

    Where to start... production increases as prices go up.. that used to be very true. Not so much these days. 2. Let's say that's true. Does it then follow that Bush's low output was a result of his energy policy and that Obama's higher output is the result of his? I came to this article because gary's friends at fox were telling him that Obama's policies were causing gas prices to go up. Either we praise him for increasing output or we don't curse him for high prices. You can't have it both ways. 3. The refining business is well worth a look. I didn't have space for that, but might do it later. Decades without new refineries sounds like more rhan an Obama problem. And before you start up up with that " overregulation" stuff, realize that the refiners make more money when they squeeze the product. Im doing this on a phone. I'll come back with more later.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 6:38 pm

    President Obama is holding the G8 meeting at Camp David now. I wonder what is going on with that. May try to research it tomorrow.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:18 pm

    Nothing's going on with that..it's the first time he's used the retreat to host world leaders and I think it's a good idea..beats going to Hawaii or South of France..for the taxpayers.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 6:40 pm

    My thoughts on keystone are in my keystone article. I wasn't against it, just thought it should be built by Americans and carry American oil from the Bakkans to the refiners. How could it adversely affect U.S. prices? Just like today when we have crude clogging up our refineries that is destined for an overseas market. Did you read the article? And 6, no there is nobody arguing that we shouldn't be doing all of the above ... except on Fox.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:15 pm

    Now FOX is his last word..always has to get it in somewhere..coincidence Kirchey that I own property in Fox Chapel..Pittsburgh Pa..Google that suburb..BTW..Your article didn't mention on inauguaration day the ave national price for a gallon of gas was 1.78...How's that hope and change working out for you.?

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 05, 2012 - 9:21 pm

    The hope and change could be better if the repubs weren't so into depression and rigidity. Seems like they are working at cross purposes. I know Fox has a friend in you. Your talking points couldn't be more on their message.

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 06, 2012 - 5:30 am

    Then Obama should bring something to the table that makes sense.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:15 pm

    I never posted with anything other than a phone..oil. Company's on par with some other industries are totally over regulated,and burdened in many other ways..Any manufacturer in the US..paper,ice cream computers you name it get a 9%deduction on profits before taxes Oil gets 6%..oil makes 6% on a gallon of gas and taxes on that gallon to the consumer are 15%..Oil get's 4billion in subsidies?..Oh wow..the Argricultural sector gets 16 billion w/ s million going to the corn growers,,get off all business backs..and let this economy grow...anal government that's always been the problem

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:30 pm

    Oh stop Kirchubel Obama's own Secretary of Energy Chu me...said prices on gas are going up from Obama's policies..in front of congress no less..I keep asking what's wrong with you???..You didn't hear Obama see him on film during the campaign saying "Under my policies prices for energy,particularly electricity would necessarily sky rocket"??..Why do you sunscribe to such lies and phoniness..just like Barney Frank.mthe guys lying right to your face on TV..he's on split screen doing a 180. 3 months apart..no wonder people call liberals stupid...now where's that little drip cup George?...

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:23 pm

    Your right Steve..tell George cause he thinks I'm pushed into a corner.by Kirchubels cutting edge journalism...I'll deal with him as soon as I can find the little man's post..but no one gets a pass my conservative friend..and we have to be precise cause we're better than liberals..The last refinery I believe went on line in 2008..but as far as high capacity refineries you're right...decades..

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 5:46 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoCsT2l_x38

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 5:55 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ZLTLyJZpQ

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 7:44 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_bjWR46YHQ

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 9:32 pm

    R.I.P. Ronnie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk52nGxF-jc

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 9:35 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUeuAnMNDhA&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 05, 2012 - 10:13 pm

    I do not like acid rock

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:44 pm

    How could the hope and change thing be better..the conservatives just rolling over and going away?..You Libs had control of. both houses and the white house for 2 years you did such a good job the voters kicked you out by the most resounding anti Democratic vote in history..You live an illusion

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 05, 2012 - 9:51 pm

    Lets be fair Gary, the Dems never truly where able to make policy in the senate with the nonstop filibustering. Couple that with the Dems lack of ability to intimidate anyone.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:48 pm

    @Jonesey..My wife has been to California many times and a few yrs ago dragged me To San Francisco..didn't like the town.but loved Tiburon and my drive down the coast..I do want to go back to San Francisco.stay at the Fairmont.hit that basement TIKI bar and got to get to Swans Oyster Emporium..]A MUST!!!

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  • ArtimusMarch 05, 2012 - 9:54 pm

    Tiburon in Spanish means "Shark". Like an innocent little fish swimming among Sharks. Might be a good idea to stay on that part of the U.S. where the little fish act like sharks... ;)

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:00 pm

    Not with the Morningside Cafe,Sams Anchor cafe,and my favorite hotel..Tge Tiburon lodge..I'll be on the west coast many more times God willing..you on the other hand...don't know how you'd fare in New York City..Sinatra said if you can make it there..you can make it anywhere..even Tiburon..

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  • ArtimusMarch 05, 2012 - 10:15 pm

    On the the East Coast, you have the Mob, but they have little power on the West.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:29 pm

    Yeah...Snow White and Seven Dwarfs control Las Vegas...You'd think you'd know something about the state in which you live..The whole film industry is nothing but organized crime..if the mob ain't there baby it's because there isn't anything there they want...The Unions,the drug trade,you kidding me?...Joe Kennedy I believe in his day had his fingers in the west coast pie..and he was mob enough to buy a presidency..no mob power on the west coast?....fogetabatit

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 05, 2012 - 10:33 pm

    I go to Tiburon all the Time just to hike & bike the trail along the water front...40 minute drive for me...Lived in SF for years too...SF, what's not to like?!...Try Santa Cruz some time... We stay at the Babbling Brook Inn...Nice place & away from the Boardwalk...Love the Summer Friday Concerts...Got a pre-teen kid so it's a win win...Try the Santa Cruz Diner for a great for lunch...Them we cruse down to Monterey...Perfect Cali Weekend...

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:48 pm

    Yeah..nothing too shabby about that..I'm sorry I didn't make it to Janis Joplins house in Larkspur..I'm such a groupie..as for Pgh weather..we're the second most overcast city in the USA after Seattle..and since humid is nothing but moisture and heat..oh yeah we can get pretty humid..what makes us special I guess is things like Carnegie Mellon,Univ of Pittsburgh,The Steelers of course,a setting at the confluence of 3 Rivers that makes for nice pictures..FYI...first motion pictures in the country if not the world happened in Pittsburgh on Smithfield St.the building is still there..we've given Hollywood some of it's greatest stars..There's a Steeler bar in just about every city in the world..I'd be surprised if LA or San Fran didn't have one...I found one in Rome Italy..it's a cool...er ah make that humid place.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 4:09 pm

    Janis Joplin The Rose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daSqiGPsMdo&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 4:27 pm

    Janis Piece of My Heart (live Woodstock) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vThD7ot9oII&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 4:52 pm

    Janis To Love Somebody July 1969 (Dick Cavett Show) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGUt4QYc08&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:47 am

    Janis I can't stand the rain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMy5_LEuw2Q

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:50 am

    Tina Turner I can't stand the rain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll5kMQHJ814

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 9:55 pm

    30% of the 599 murderers released from GITMO have returned to their murderous ways..this is what I mean America doesn't have the stomach to take care of terrorism..sure UBL was a monster and better off dead..but his killing days were behind him..we release these people and they're back killing our soldiers..the terrorists should have been summarily executed at GITMO..they wore no uniform they represented no soveriegn goverment..and I'm not talking about 30%..a military tribunal and the rope...it's all they know.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 05, 2012 - 10:07 pm

    When they include the word "suspected" in the article is that not like the word "guessing". We could just build a huge fence around Afghanistan, and call it mission accomplished. I don't trust any information that is published by the Pentagon. We are unable to control these countries we occupy, now all of a sudden we have census workers tracking every move these released detainees make. Maybe one or two released prisoners, hoping they will lead to bigger fish. But that many, no way.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:15 pm

    I like the fence idea..one or two huh?...I choose to trust the Pentagon..you have a better option for defending this country?..one or two prisoners?..you sound like a man that has to learn the hard way...how do you think these people got to the most secure prison on the planet?..Knocking over a Falafal stand?..

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 12:07 pm

    "you sound like a man that has to learn the hard way" No, when people lie to me on a regular basis, I tend not to believe them. The old "I was lying to you yesterday, but telling the truth today" tends not to work with me.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 12:58 pm

    Any other options for defense of this nation besides the Pentagon..last I looked the OWS crowd was somewhat under funded and under armed.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 1:13 pm

    How about some oversight, and maybe an audit. I am not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but your reasoning for trusting the pentagon is not based on anything.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 1:28 pm

    Just National Security Danny..just National Security..I think the Pentagon plays a big part in that..You want audits..There's penty of Gov't agys that could benefit from that..But the CIA,the Pentagon,the FBI..vis a vis the DOJ..I'll put on the back burner..in the meantime maybe find out where the stimulus billions went? Trillions?...I don't feel stimulated..how 'bout you bro?

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 1:34 pm

    Perhaps you could find the 10 Bil in cash that the Pentagon lost over in the land of greeters. You do not see a problem with a group running around with zero checks and balances, because they "say" it is for your protection. I thought you where smarter then that. One hand washes the other in the military industrial complex.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:06 pm

    Buntin..they also used the word "confirmed"....and I don't think they were talking about a Catholic sacrement.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 12:09 pm

    Two words - "Pentagon papers"

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:08 pm

    They squeaked that totally unsustainable,unpopular,healthscare bill through though huh?...If the Supreme Court let's that stand..you're gonna wish for a filibuster..and while not researching it now..didn't they have a bullet proof majority with Harry Reid using every parliamentary trick in the book until the mid-terms defanged the old boxer?

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 12:17 pm

    Don't pin that on a progressive. That was a corporatist bill, that favors existing insurers. Maybe a speckle of good for some people, but nowhere near getting us away from the insurance scum of the earth. Single payer did not even have a seat at the table. So much for the "socialist" president wielding his dictatorial powers.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 1:32 pm

    That was a 2500 page bill that precious few read..and even fewer understand.What is your political orientation.?I'm guessing progressive.b ut didn't you recently write big gov't stay away from my family?.Who do think is "single payer"..?

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 1:40 pm

    It is sharing the cost of something we all need, like roads, defense, fireman, police. Get it. Not some handout to the well connected, to take all gamble out of their business. I wrote that in response to the ever hypocritical Artimus. By the way, rarely will you find anyone who reads a bill through its entirety. Both sides take what they are given by the lobbyists and role with it.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 10:36 pm

    @ Jonesey..that's Pittsburgh..with an "h"..actually mandated by federal law.I believe..as for most livable city status..you can Google that..if Kirchubel hasn't totally used up all their bandwith...As for Halliburton keep in mind this is a company that was contracted to do a job and paid..a bit different from the billions that were just given to green start ups w/no contracts,no customers,just a dream and a scheme and a pocketful of your money gone forever,no paybacks,no recourse..

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 06, 2012 - 6:40 pm

    Yah Gary, Isn't spelling Pittsburg with out the "H" kinda like an insult...Hence The Pgh?...I believe there is Steelers Bar in SF...You a Steelers fan Gary?...

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 05, 2012 - 11:56 pm

    @STR..I don't answer many of yours because..there's just so so many and most seem like errant ramblings..but I noticed your post about the time frame re: countering Kirchubels drivel columns and the coming November..so I'll say it now win or lose I'm out of here after the Nov election..of course if the GOP wins I'll do a victory lap and leave Jan 20th..if not I'll concede and leave..no point in staying either way..Win the Republic is restored..lose and we're on auto pilot and it doesn't matter what anyone says..not that it did anyway except for our own little amusement and wanting to be relevant in some self delusionary way..just remember what I said 2nd term presidents are dangerous..and if they have the congress they can be fatal.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 7:42 am

    You do realize - don't you - that you might have a better chance of actually changing the outcome of the November election by spreading your particular brand of information somewhere else? California, and in particular, Solano County, is very much behind Obama. The Keystone State, however, is up for grabs.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 8:12 am

    Obama pretty much puts everyone behind him....California when expedient will no doubt become expendable too.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 2:22 am

    @Kirchubel..I seldom go to bars..,and when I do they close when I leave..and correction..all my self righteous bloating will never CONVINCE you that I'm right..but c'mon humor me..regarding Oil..what's the first thing you know.?..There is no right or wrong answer..You tell me what's the first thing you know,And I'll tell you the first thing I know..I promise I won't sub sequently try to humiliate or insult you..not about this anyway..and if you don't know the first thing you know just say so..it' rhetorical..so.show me yours and I'll show you mine..but you first..what's the first thing you know?

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 7:37 am

    Thanks for admitting that you know nothing about the oil industry, but it was obvious from your posts. I have the advantage since i was able to research the article before i wrote it. I try to do my homework because I know that people get angry when they read something that doesn't fit in with what they've been told and they will try to rip it apart. I keep throwing out the challenge to disprove anything I write in the articles and so far, nothing. People like you keep me honest - thanks.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 8:04 am

    @Kirchey...you can always say nothing you say has been dis-proven and heaven knows you say it a lot..Neither I nor I imagine anyone who has opposing views here has the time or the desire to rehash all the mis-information,Googleisms,and Foxism paranoia your articles impart..You're in the tank for Obama..that's crystal..it jaundices everything you say..You can't even discern that I was giving you the straight line to a joke.."What's the first thing you know"..It could be about anything..but since the topic was oil I was reminded of it...I'll do it here since you are absolutely no fun at all......."What's the first thing you know"?...Answer: "Well the first thing you know ol Jeb's a millionaire"...Like I said..no fun..bet you tell little kids there's no Santa Claus.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 8:32 am

    Yes, I DO say it a lot. Just to remind you that for all your bellicose posturing and self-righteousness, you lack a si you certainly seem to have the time. I'll go with your second

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 8:34 am

    Sorry, sensitive touch-pad. Anyway, I'm sure you understand.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 4:36 pm

    Jim Stafford Wildwood Weed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjlxIcu8AM

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 5:49 am

    @Mr.Practical..Talk about. Bringing "sense" to the table..Here's some more FOX mis-information I heard this morning...The City of Buffalo NY schools Union has a plastic surgery rider in their healthcare..last year the school (taxpayers) paid for such needed surgery as liposuction,Rhino plasty..etc to the tune of 6million dollars!!...The School district is 42 million in the red and perhaps the most distressing about 50%..that's half Kirchey of the kids don't graduate..talk about abject Go v't failure and Union/Liberal/Democratic collusion..why that charge..well this has been going on for 4 decades and the contract has an "Evergreen" clause that's been there it seems for quite some time..that states that any new negotiations are subject to contracts present conditions remaining in effect till any new agreements are meant..hence there is no incentive for the Unions to make any changes at all...shameful.and expensive.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 8:53 am

    @ Gary Do you have any ideas on how to create jobs for US citizens? How do we rebuild a manufacturing base? Were NAFTA and GATT good or bad ?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:24 am

    STR..I forgot you asked about NAFTA or GATT...what would you prefer as an end?..A messy ill aimed bullet to the brain..or potassium cyanide that may just cause you writh in agony for an hour or two....you'll expire both ways but the choices are somewhat less than enviable..no?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 9:45 am

    So what is it that you want me to do?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:56 am

    My Uncle Nelson used to say "take off your sock and s+#t in your shoe!:)

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 9:57 am

    Tomorrow is a better day

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 10:03 am

    I had a boss that used to say I'll rip your head off and s+#t down your windpipe.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:08 am

    Just remember that government is very bad at it..a new proof of that practically daily...Businesses,the job creators like to make money..don't we all..If major companies like GE,Apple, IBM,Microsoft etc park billions of dollars and millions of jobs overseas..must be because they think the climate is better over there than here right?..So give them the incentives to bring those dollars back and hire people here..Offer any immigrant with 250,000.00 to buy a house or start a business,with conditions of course a fast track to citizenship..and then Government kindly get out of the way.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 10:28 am

    @STR..But impossible to guarantee..so how can you say that?..It's the mind that anticipates the future which is never at peace.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 10:31 am

    But my husband says I need to get the laundry done first.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 10:47 am

    If you are making so much money doing this, you can surely AFFORD to be a bit patient.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 10:32 am

    @STR..My Uncle Nelson wasn't nearly as violent..

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 10:38 am

    You know what really hurts, every once in awhile I get a really bad migraine, to the point of practically stroking out and my husband won't take me to the emergency room for the shot to fix it, because there is a $50 co-pay.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 06, 2012 - 10:41 am

    So are we doing a man-in-the-middle thing and no one else is seeing this?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 1:48 pm

    @Buntin.. 10 Billion? You kidding me..I'll wager an appreciable amount of mouth breathers on this site don't know how many million in a billion or billion in a trillion I need the Pentagon You need the Pentagon...we're not gonna solve the problems of the world on DR..Take solace that we live in the greatest country mankind has ever known..have you done much traveling??..take solace in that.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 2:16 pm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 "we’re not gonna solve the problems of the world on DR" Ain't that the truth. I often ask my daughter that when she tells me to hold on while she is texting, I respond with "Are you solving the worlds problems one text at a time?".

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 2:24 pm

    Bless you all..but what's important is in front of you..be thankful you don't have to chase her body parts around a bombed out slum apartment..cause that's the reality for a greater part of the world than we'd ever care to admit. To..Just be thankful

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 2:28 pm

    @Buntin..Re not reading bills..the healthcare disaster is not an everyday bill.get real..this is life altering,entitlement on steroids..bankruptcy socialist stuff here son..

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 2:34 pm

    @Buntin..as for "rolling" with what the lobbyists give congress..that healthcare bill got more "rolls" than an Entemanns truck..And as for my views on the Pentagon not based on anything..they're based on my views and if that's not anything then you're as intellectually bankrupt as Brooks and Dumb.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 06, 2012 - 3:45 pm

    Thats right, they are based on your views and not facts. If it does not fit in my view(margins of ideology), your outta hear - well said Gary.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 2:50 pm

    You guys looking for missing money in the pentagon? Google: Rumsfeld trillions. You'll also find out why September 11th, 2001 came after September 10th that year.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:26 pm

    @Kirchubel..Clinton dropped the ball and no doubt pocketed the trillion to pay for escort fees..38days in Office and the World Trade Ctr is attacked¤..followed by terror attacks that took hundreds of lives in Saudi Arabia,Nairobi,Tanzania,Kenya the horrific attack on the USS Cole..and with all this Clinton never ever met privately with his CIA chief Woolsey(sic).never in 2yrs..Clinton let the intelligence and military complex collapse and thus created an atmosphere where such huge amount of cash could disappear..Clinton let Bin Laden go at Tora Bora..his responsibility for what happened on 9/11 can never be trivialized.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 9:33 pm

    Hysterical. Thanks for the laughathon, but really, you shouldn't blog so soon after the bars close in Pitts.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:41 pm

    Yeah it's a real riot..but with the possible exception on the escort fees..everything I said about Clinton is settled fact..and as you're so fond of saying..prove me wrong..

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 06, 2012 - 10:01 pm

    Well, for starters, Bush II was president when he called off the troops closing in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora. December, 2001. I'm not near a computer riggt now- just using my phone - so that will have to hold tou for now. I can give you some info on the 1993 WTC bombing: the FBI had a paid informant in the terrorist group. They knew about the bombing plot, gave him the explosives, and the detonator. When it was over, they tried to pin their informant682- relao with the crime, but he had hours of tapes proving what he said was true. The FBI gave him a pile of dough to make him go away.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 07, 2012 - 10:26 am

    Hello? Am I to assume that since you've again changed the subject that I have done as you asked and proved you wrong - yet again?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 07, 2012 - 10:53 am

    Ah....yeah...thanks for that update.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 9:02 am

    Gosh, Gary, I just wanted to slap you down, not exterminate you. Are you ok?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 9:12 am

    What about me? It would be polite to enquire if I am over my terrible bout with the Flu.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 9:51 am

    STR, how are you? You were still posting, so I figured you were ok. From My Blue Heaven: What's the difference between a lightbulb and a pregnant lady?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 9:55 am

    Just an annoying residual cough, but now my husband is sick with it. Do tell, What is the difference between a lightbulb and a pregnant lady?

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 10:08 am

    I haven't figured out how to copy and paste on my phone, but if you Google: my blue heaven lightbulb, you can see a 21 second clip from the movie.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 10:13 am

    It's a bit risque. But here goes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMknMZP_zX4

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 10:18 am

    I've never seen this movie -- My Blue Heaven --- I will have to check it out. Got to go now bye. Smart is Sexy !

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 10:31 am

    Great, funny movie. Steve Martin as a New York mobster and Rick Moranis as the FBI agent in charge of his witness protection move to suburbia.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 10:34 am

    265 comments X $50/comment = DR owes you $13,250 not bad Bye again

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 12:07 pm

    STR, They don't pay me for my own posts, so it's only $50 times three.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 1:11 pm

    Maybe we should make next week's column theme Bluegrass Yes this sounds like fun. Steep Canyon Rangers and Steve Martin on the Letterman Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9GOLf9HcY

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 1:15 pm

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL buy Mike Kirchubel's book Vile Acts of Evil http://www.amazon.com/Vile-Acts-Evil-Banking-America/dp/1448642256/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331496887&sr=1-1

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:36 pm

    @ Buntin...That's right it's all any of us have..our opinions,our views,rage at the machine all you desire..our military industrial complex should be able to weather the assault..It's the foolish man who criticizes the military,the police,or waiters.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 06, 2012 - 9:54 pm

    @Keep Jones...burgh..pronounced "boro" in England right?..Pittsburgh is named for British PM. William Pitt..after Fort Duquesne was captured and renamed Ft.Pitt..what's left of that Fort is across the street from the Pittsburgh Hilton.It's an historic place..Steelers?..Not much of a team sport person..We pay them so much,then we're taxed to build their stadiums..In ancient Rome..Doctors were slaves,and no one was ever charged a penny to attend events at the Colosieum..Ever been there?

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 07, 2012 - 12:02 am

    Quote from the Clinton Administration:..The Clinton admin. admits that the bombing at Khosts was the greatest missed chance to get Bin Laden to date..They blew it..Hindsight always 20/20..but the Clinton Administration blew it first..as for the rest of your Kirchisms did the military use you for any experimental LSD testing?

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 07, 2012 - 10:55 am

    Gary, I think you are referring to this: President Clinton authorized the CIA to use lethal force and both he and National Security Adviser Berger were eager to get bin Laden. They looked to CIA Director Tenet for his professional judgment and approved every request from him and the US military to go after bin Laden and al Qaeda. • At no time did US forces on the ground in Afghanistan have bin Laden in their sights or cornered in his compound. • In August 1998, the one time the CIA believed they knew where bin Laden was or was going to be, President Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles fired at him in Afghanistan. The clear intent of the missile strike was to kill (not capture) bin Laden. Though bin Laden got away, dozens of senior al Qaeda leaders were killed. FACTS FROM THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT: “Policymakers in the Clinton administration, including the President and his national security advisor, told us that the President’s intent regarding covert action against Bin Ladin was clear: he wanted him dead.” (9/11 Report, p. 133) “President-elect Bush … asked Tenet whether the CIA could kill Bin Laden …President Bush told us Tenet said … that the CIA had all the authority it needed.” (9/11 Report, p. 198-199) “ … [Tenet told the 9/11 Commission] … that if … he needed more authority, he would have come back to either President Clinton or President Bush and asked for the additional authority.” (9/11 Report, p. 508-509, footnote 158) 2 According to the 9/11 Report: “Berger reported to President Clinton … The new memorandum [of notification] would allow the killing of Bin Ladin … what was envisioned was … a shootout … Bin Ladin … probably would be killed. The [Clinton] administration’s position was that … killing a person who posed an imminent threat to the United States would be an act of self-defense, not an assassination … President [Clinton] approved the document … Albright, Cohen, Shelton and Reno [were notified] … A copy of the final document … was given to Tenet.” (9/11 Report, p. 132) “By the fall of 1997, the [CIA’s] Bin Ladin unit had … a plan for … Afghan tribals to capture Bin Ladin … In early 1998, the cabinet-level Principals Committee [led by National Security Adviser Berger] apparently gave the concept its blessing. (9/11 Report, p.110-112) “[CIA Director] Tenet told us that given the recommendation of his chief operations officers, he alone had decided to “turn off ” the [Tarnak Farms] operation … He said the plan was never presented to the White House for a decision. The CIA’s senior management clearly did not think the plan would work.” (9/11 Report, p. 114) FACTS FROM 9/11 COMMISSIONERS: 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer: “[Contrary to the miniseries’ portrayal] Osama bin Laden was never in somebody’s sights … on page 114 of our report we say George Tenet took responsibility for pulling the plug on that particular Tarnak Farms operation.” (CNN) 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey: "… totally factually inaccurate. They didn't have somebody on the ground with bin Laden in their sights.” (TPMCafe.com) Senior 9/11 commission staff member: “[the scene at Tarnak Farms] didn't happen, and frankly it's silly." (UPI) OTHER FACTS: Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen: “I never saw or heard Sandy Berger do anything of that nature [pass on an opportunity to get bin Laden].” (CNN) Former Clinton & Bush National Coordinator for Counterterrorism Richard A. Clarke: “It didn’t happen … There were no troops in Afghanistan about to snatch bin Laden. There were no C.I.A. personnel about to snatch bin Laden. It’s utterly invented … It’s 180 degrees from what happened … deeply flawed.” (New York Times) “The [Clinton] White House wanted action [in catching terrorists] … The fact is, President Clinton approved every snatch that … CIA, Justice, or Defense proposed … [President Clinton’s] intent was very clear: Kill bin Laden.” (Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies, p. 145 & 204). ______________

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 07, 2012 - 11:14 am

    Enough with this stuff..c'mon Kirchey..that POST was almost as long as the Affordable Care Act..and when it's all done I truly hope we both can afford it.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 07, 2012 - 1:12 pm

    The problem is that it only takes a second to birth a lie, days to kill it off. That' s what you and your friends at F@x (i didn't want to say Fox) do. You come up with these wild, unfounded and often illogical claims and by the time they are methodically rebuked, you've come up with three more that you harp on, pretending they are true, when you know darned well you just pulled them out of your bottom.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 08, 2012 - 2:34 am

    Funny..that sounds like you

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 07, 2012 - 3:31 am

    Solyndra one of about a couple dozen of Obama's failed green energy plans now paying it's top executives 6 figure bonuses..your tax dollars doled out by a Socialist president TO FAIL..No suprise..we're paying Obama the same taxpayer dollars to fail as well...Consumer Watch Group says Obamas failed Green Energy Program is the worst example of failed Government policies in US History..kinda what you'd expect from a community organizer who never held a private sector job in his life.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 07, 2012 - 6:16 am

    My Husband is forbidding me to ever post on here again and is yanking the internet connection. So Bye All

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 07, 2012 - 10:27 am

    Two words: internet cafe.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 07, 2012 - 1:43 pm

    @Kirchubel..ya never know..time could be on my side

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 07, 2012 - 6:45 pm

    Not really. The truth eventually surfaces. It may be wearing concrete booties, but it eventually comes to light.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 08, 2012 - 2:45 am

    Here's some facts for you Buntin...some of the first casualties of the Obamacare catastrophy are our service people..no surprise Obama has such disdain for this country and the people that fight to protect us from his vile brand of socialism...While the service will have to kick in substantially more for their health care Mochelle O bama hosted a 100,000.000/couple fundraiser.you get dinner and meet and worship with Mochelle a picture..and entertained by James Tayor..Kirchubel missed the event..researching Tora Bora..

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 08, 2012 - 3:12 am

    FOXISM vs KIRCHISM....Foxism: Substantiated facts presented in an intelligent entertaining manner by intelligent and attractive people. Kirchism:.Stilted statistics distilled into unsubstantiated falsified statements disguised as facts ineptly presented by a blotchy faced old man in a wrinkled T-shirt.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 08, 2012 - 8:35 pm

    It's not so much wrinkled as it is old. It's an extremely religious tee shirt - very hole-ly. The oil stains are there forever, even as the writing fades: "The Unapproachable Norton." How could a guy toss that out?

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 08, 2012 - 9:29 pm

    Kinda like the "Shroud of Turin"... :) Sorry Mike, couldn't resist...

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 08, 2012 - 9:54 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWEgqcYx-yo

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 09, 2012 - 4:01 pm

    Cool. Mine's a bit newer, an 850 Commando. Circa 1972. The good thing about British bikes is you never, ever have to change the oil. Just keep pouring new oil into the bike to replace what has leaked out. It also has a safety feature most bikes don't have: you have to work on them for two hours for every hour you ride. Keeps you off the road and safe in your garage.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 09, 2012 - 4:07 pm

    Just a thought...Would shut someone up...Strike that...Think that's impossible... http://daredevilstore.com/The-Unapproachable-Norton-T-shirt

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 09, 2012 - 4:17 pm

    What's the story on the Tee Shirt? Must a missed it...

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 4:22 pm

    Sounds like an older Harley Didn't they do the same thing?

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 09, 2012 - 4:30 pm

    Think I just put 2 and 2 together...The shirt in your pic is a Norton Tee... Am I correct?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 4:34 pm

    Yes I believe Mike K. stated this elsewhere on this blog.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 08, 2012 - 10:46 am

    @George..no one person is responsible..I'm^ only talkin about the major players and Obama and his policies qualify so lighten up.."Cognative dissonance"..gimme a break..what are you a frustrated psych major?.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 6:46 am

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/pentagon-launches-desperate-damage-control-over-shocking-panetta-testimony.html

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 8:29 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDGFZ5e6HA

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 8:30 am

    Alison by Elvis Costello as heard on One Tree Hill Season 6 Episode 5 entitled "You've Dug Your Own Grave, Now Lie In It" Lyrics: Oh it's so funny to be seeing you after so long, girl. And with the way you look I understand that you were not impressed. But I heard you let that little friend of mine take off your party dress. I'm not going to get too sentimental like those other sticky valentines, 'cause I don't know if you are loving some body. I only know it isn't mine. Alison, I know this world is killing you. Oh, Alison, my aim is true. Well I see you've got a husband now. Did he leave your pretty fingers lying in the wedding cake? You used to hold him right in your hand. Bet he took all he could take. Sometimes I wish that I could stop you from talking when I hear the silly things that you say. I think somebody better put out the big light, 'cause I can't stand to see you this way. Alison, I know this world is killing you. Oh, Alison, my aim is true. My aim is true.

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 09, 2012 - 8:32 am

    Little known fact... Alison was the inspiration for Sting's writing of Roxanne.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 8:50 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Im-kDpw1LE&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 8:51 am

    The man from the television crawled into the train. I wonder who he's gonna stick it in this time. Everyone was looking for a little entertainment, So they'll probably pull his hands off when they find out his name. And then they shut down the power all along the line, And we got stuck in the tunnel where no lights shine. They got to touchin' all the girls were to scared to call out. Nobody was saying anything at all. We were waiting for the end of the world, Waiting for the end of the world, Waiting for the end of the world. Dear Lord I sincerely hope you're coming 'Cause you really started something. Things got back to normal as the train began to roll again. We got to the station about twenty minutes later. The legendary hitchhiker says that he knows where it's at. Now he'd like to go to Spain or somewhere like that, With his two-tone Bible and his funny cigarettes, His suntan lotion and his castanets. He was waiting for the end of the world, Waiting for the end of the world, Waiting for the end of the world. Dear Lord I sincerely hope you're coming 'Cause you really started something. And then the bride, the groom, the congregation and the priest All got onto the train when we were three stations east, yeah. Hiding from a scandal in the national press, They had been trying to get married since they stole the wedding dress. You may see them drowning as you stroll along the beach, But don't throw out the lifeline till they're clean out of reach. Waiting for the end of the world. (repeat and fade)

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:00 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdmIhCkp3p4

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:12 am

    Elvis Costello Kinder Murder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9u5ihTQsI

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 10:45 am

    The 23 rd Palsm The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies; Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever. -- KJV If you see something beautiful, right, just, praise God. My cat is very beautiful and I think - Thank you God for making this beautiful cat.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 10:50 am

    Mankas tapas and steakhouse jjWe have a trust issue. I am still worred about recapture/ being disappeared as opposed to merely terminated (you have to leave a body so my husband gets the insurnace money). I don't know who the players really are. Like I said trust issues.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 10:54 am

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:06 am

    The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:14 am

    Why can't we all just get along. No more killing is actually necessary. http://www.smashinglists.com/10-best-intelligence-agencies-in-the-world/

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:16 am

    Before Sept. 11, 2011, there were 16 intelligence agencies in the United States. But after the attacks, the 9/11 Commission recommended creating a 17th intelligence agency — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) — to coordinate intelligence operations. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/us-intelligence-drowning-in-information/

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 10:21 pm

    My point in all this is that many Intel employees worldwide do not realize that they are really working for the New World Order Globalists and Bankers. Globalists want us all to fight each other in continual war and for the elite to gain control of the hard asetts of the world the oil, metals, minerals ect. All true wealth comes from the ground, wether it be water, soil for crops and animals, oil, gold, silver ect..... They want control of life and death for everyone on earth. Look at how extensive the "electronic control grid" is. All electronic financial transactions are monitored also.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:32 am

    The computers at each station in the ECHELON network automatically search through the millions of messages intercepted for ones containing pre-programmed keywords. Keywords include all the names, localities, subjects, and so on that might be mentioned. Every word of every message intercepted at each station gets automatically searched whether or not a specific telephone number or e-mail address is on the list. Research Supercomptuters http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/echelon.html

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:37 am

    http://www.top500.org/lists/2011/11/press-release

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:47 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_tYWSY2eU&feature=fvwrel

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 11:49 am

    Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me Lyrics: Who's watching Tell me, who's watching Who's watching me I'm just an average man With an average life I work from nine to five Hey, hell, I pay the price All I want is to be left alone In my average home But why do I always feel Like I'm in the twilight zone And (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) And I have no privacy Whooooa-oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Tell me, is it just a dream When I come home at night I bolt the door real tight People call me on the phone I'm trying to avoid But can the people on TV see me Or am I just paranoid When I'm in the shower I'm afraid to wash my hair 'Cause I might open my eyes And find someone standing there People say I'm crazy Just a little touched But maybe showers remind me Of Psycho too much That's why (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) And I have no privacy Whooooa, oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Who's playin' tricks on me [Instrumental Interlude] (Who's watching me) I don't know anymore Are the neighbors watching me (Who's watching) Well, is the mailman watching me (Tell me, who's watching) And I don't feel safe anymore Oh, what a mess I wonder who's watching me now (Who) The IRS (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) And I have no privacy Whooooa, oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Tell me, is it just a dream (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) And I have no privacy Whooooa, oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Who's playin' tricks on me (Who's watching me) (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Oooooooh Whooooa-oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) So ? who can it be (Who's watching me) (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Whooooa-oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Who's playing tricks on me (Who's watching me) (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Can I have my privacy Whooooa-oh-oh (I always feel like) (Somebody's watching me) Who's playing tricks on me

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 2:34 pm

    This is a breakdown by dutchinese of all the World Wide Networks of HAARP locations of their facilities. Contains a good resource of plentiful information regarding Geo-Stratospheric Engineering Weather Modification Program Systems and others such as VLF/UHF systems used to manipulate the global weather patterns, the earth through seismic vibrations and there is a wealth of researched information which encompasses the full scale assault by these Geo-Physical weapons, not forgetting their SSSS technology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw3Ie15IVWs

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 2:49 pm

    The sound of silence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsX03LOMhI

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 09, 2012 - 3:52 pm

    So is The Sounds of Silence for Gary?

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 4:40 pm

    I guess. My biggest fear has always been being nailed upside down on a cross and skinned alive by the really bad people. Warren Buffett is evil.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 4:45 pm

    or they drug you and make you be the alter.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 4:58 pm

    altar

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 3:17 pm

    This is actually a good company website. http://vlasic.com/

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 3:40 pm

    Q: Why do gherkins giggle a lot? A: They’re PICKLish! Q: What is the pickle's philosophy of life? A: Never a dill moment. Q: What does an agreeable pickle always say? A: I relish the idea. Q: What does the non-believing pickle say? A: You're gherkin my chain. Q: Why didn't the pickle succeed in any one area? A: He was just a dill-ettante. Q: Which pop star do pickles love most? A: Britney Spears. A pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. The bartender says, "That looks painful. Does it hurt?" The pirate says, "Arrrggh, it's driving me nuts."

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 09, 2012 - 3:42 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxVkAhto0Ag&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 5:00 pm

    Read a book The Franklin Cover-up:Child abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska by State Senator John DeCamp

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:26 pm

    http://www.archive.org/stream/TheFranklinCover-up/the_franklin_cover-up_-_john_decamp_-_ebook#page/n9/mode/2up

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:44 pm

    http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/denemcgriff/in_search_of_babylon_ch9.htm

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 5:05 pm

    I think that I really don't like you. This was rather uncalled for. Bye

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 7:35 pm

    You are a right plunker and not half bad at it.

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  • Keeping up with the JonesesMarch 09, 2012 - 8:40 pm

    There was a guy on the beach with about 25 gorgeous chicks swarming all around him. Seeing this, a second guy strolls on up to him and asks, "What's your secret?" The guy whispers, "All you gotta do is stick a pickle in your pants." In a fluorish, the second guy runs off and stuffs a pickle in his pants. But when he returns to the shore, he soon discovers that every single girl that looks his way, runs off screaming in bloody terror. Confused, he hurries over to the first guyand desperately asks, "Why are all the girls running away from me?" The first guy looks up and replies, "The pickle's on the wrong side."

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 09, 2012 - 9:03 pm

    Gol blimey or should it be plonker

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  • Glen FaisonMarch 09, 2012 - 11:53 pm

    @Keeping up with the Joneses and SavetheRepublic: Enough with the pickle jokes already ... please!

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 5:29 am

    Yes Sir -- Will comply and stop.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 2:23 pm

    Ron Paul in 2008 on oil prices http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLGvybCr6AM&feature=related

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 10, 2012 - 4:00 pm

    This year's Giants team is great. Lots of new, hot bats.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 4:36 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykIdSolHg8k

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 8:26 pm

    http://www.petrostrategies.org/Links/Worlds_Largest_Oil_and_Gas_Companies_Sites.htm

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 8:39 pm

    http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/09/worlds-biggest-oil-companies-business-energy-big-oil_3.html

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 8:40 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_exploration_and_production_companies

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 10, 2012 - 8:41 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_oil_company

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 11, 2012 - 9:30 am

    @Kirchubel..That's sweet..no..I'm OK...just finding current postings boring

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 9:43 am

    Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one, but the bulb has to really want to change. A: None, the bulb will change itself when it is ready. Q: How many witches does it take to change a light bulb? A: It depends on what you want to change it into. Q: How many cops does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, it turned itself in.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 3:40 pm

    http://www.nogw.com/illuminati.html The Rothschilds are control freaks. In order to attain their goal of complete control of the world's wealth and domination of the world, they need to stop two things. First, they must stop the price of gold and silver going up and second they must stop Dr. Ron Paul from becomming president. The first one they have under control. They are able to keep precious metas prices down by selling unlimited amounts of naked shorts in the GLD and SLV funds and pouring newly minted dollars into these funds. After all that newly minted money must go somewhere. The second one, namely Dr. Ron Paul becomming preident they have mainly under control but have a few loose ends. They have the CIA working in conjunction with the media to fix the elections. Many means are employed to that end. The media gives plently of coverage to every candidate that is Rothschild approved while trying to smear Dr. Ron Paul. The media manipulates polls, and portrays to the public that a vote for Dr. Ron Paul is a wasted vote. Then when the voting takes place the media conglomerate (Voter News Service or an incarnation of the same) actually counts the votes. Through the use of electronic voting machines, and electronic tabulation machines of paper ballots, stuffing of ballot boxes, elimination of exit polls, etc, the media can announce that the Rothschild approved candidate has won the election. This election rigging is a well oiled machine with few hiccups, but occasionally there is a fly in the ointment. Dr. Ron Paul is one such fly. Despite the MSM (Mainstream Media)'s phony polls showing him losing, Dr. Paul is set to take the Iowa primary. This can't be allowed. This has forced the Rothschilds to move the counting of the votes for that primary to a 'secret location'. When the media announces Dr. Paul's loss in Iowa if the public doesn't buy it, that is, if there is a large public outcry, the stage will be set for their next action, the execution of Dr. Paul. The Rothschilds simply cannot allow Dr. Paul to seriously challenge their hand-picked candidate. The assassination will most likely appear to have been done by a radical Islamic fundamentalist with ties to Iran, but will in reality have been perpetrated by Mossad. --Webber Dec 31, 2011 Related Articles: Will Diebold Voting Machines Steal Votes From Ron Paul in New Hampshire like 2008? Jan 9, 2012 - election officials in districts such as Sutton reported that Paul had received zero votes, despite numerous individuals immediately going public and asserting they had voted for Paul. Ron Paul: Iowa Vote Fraud Video by ravenise00 Dec 28, 2011 - Michael Rivero tells it like it is! If Ron Paul loses Iowa, we KNOW it was stolen from him, it's time top start shooting the bastards! Obama Declares Martial Law / CNN Iowa Poll-Gate Plot To Steal Iowa Caucus as Ron Paul Surges PDF by Tom Heneghan Jan 1, 2012 Caroline Kennedy Death Threats Update PDF by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert January 22, 2009 Illuminati Murdered At Least Two Other Presidents PDF By Henry Makow, PhD 5-6-7 Updated 5-17-8

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 3:45 pm

    Salvation Prayer Jesus will forgive you if you ask him. Dear Lord, I admit that I am a sinner. I have done many things that don’t please you. I have lived my life for myself. I am sorry and I repent. I ask you to forgive me. I believe that you died on the cross for me, to save me. You did what I could not do for myself. I come to you now and ask you to take control of my life, I give it to you. Help me to live every day in a way that pleases you. I love you, Lord, and I thank you that I will spend all eternity with you. Amen.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 3:53 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJnrmppqIBY&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    Military Assassination Squads http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lurkingevilwithin25jul05.shtml

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 4:14 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRYPCR3EhFc&feature=related

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 5:33 pm

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57394904/the-spymaster-meir-dagan-on-irans-threat/

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 5:45 pm

    Obama Impeachment ? http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress/

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 7:15 pm

    Even the Republicans can dream.

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  • tcc43March 11, 2012 - 7:51 pm

    Glen: This thread is a joke due to STR's "contributions."

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  • CD BrooksMarch 11, 2012 - 8:44 pm

    I agree. Fun is fun but enough all ready.

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  • mike kirchubelMarch 11, 2012 - 8:49 pm

    I'll say it one more time: the last time rhe U.S. ever declared war was in 1943. Against Bulgaria. Every other time... Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan and whatever else, where not declared wars.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 11:01 pm

    Correct like I keep repeating at the top both parties Dem and Rep and outcomes are controlled by the Global Elite, International Bankers. WAKE UP FOLLOW THE MONEY

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 11, 2012 - 11:02 pm

    And believe me I am risking my life to tell you all this. Is anybody listening?

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 12, 2012 - 6:14 am

    STR, rhey'll get me first. You can relax while I'm still around.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 12, 2012 - 2:24 pm

    I did follow the money and you are correct.

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  • ArtimusMarch 11, 2012 - 11:36 pm

    What do we do when there is only two options available on the table? I gotta choose one and the left is not an option.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 12, 2012 - 9:19 am

    I thought that all the guys on the right were swaring that the Tea Party was somehow different from the Republicans. Funny, but I still don't see that. Theoretically there should be two choices on the right.

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 12, 2012 - 2:16 pm

    Artimus, you two choices are extremely right and crazy right. The progressives are always there if you can't find anything suitable.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 12, 2012 - 3:29 pm

    @Mike by extremely right and crazy right you mean Romney and Santorum?

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 12, 2012 - 4:39 pm

    I'll let those guys speak for themselves. If i started quoting them, people would accuse me of paraphrasing.

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 12, 2012 - 4:59 pm

    I didn't accuse you of paraphrasing. I accused you of not paraphrasing when you said you did. I still don't think you get that if you change the meaning, which you did, it's not paraphrasing. Will Rogers would have rolled over in his grave if he knew what you tried to represent him as saying!

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  • Mike KirchubelMarch 16, 2012 - 11:59 am

    Will Rogers, a Democrat, would have laughed out loud and then tried to get out of the box.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 16, 2012 - 12:03 pm

    That was one of my personal favorites. Book Thinking Out Of The Box by Jack

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 16, 2012 - 12:12 pm

    Better Out than In. Better Up (burp) than Out. We had just mentioned gas in a post somewhere else.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 16, 2012 - 12:20 pm

    Got to go buy catfood now, cats are crying. Bye Ist fur my cat ? Is this cute Gary?

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 16, 2012 - 1:23 pm

    More likely issue a cease and desist.

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  • SavetheRepublicMarch 12, 2012 - 10:52 am

    Vote for Ron Paul or Bill Still even Cynthia McKinney would be better. Artimus is right all the candidates Dem and Rep are pre-vetted by the power structure and we are not actually given much choice. The International/Global agenda moves forward under a Republican administration and a Democrat Administration.

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  • Gary KatocsMarch 16, 2012 - 12:07 pm

    Will Rodger's vote will be duly counted with all the. other deceased Democratic votes..

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