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President debates an Etch-A-Sketch

By From page A8 | October 08, 2012

The Daily Republic’s blogosphere lit up after Wednesday’s debate between President Barack Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney. I think Fairfield blogger,Danny B. summed it up best: “This was a debate in which the moderator allowed the candidates to change the format. This favored Romney with his anything I say, goes. Obama stayed closer to the facts, while Romney told people what they wanted to hear.”

We all know politicians tell us voters what we want to hear. That’s how they get elected, but Romney stands out as an eerily special case. What troubled me the most during this debate and troubles voters from Fairfield, Calif. to Bangor, Maine is Mitt Romney’s total lack of political conviction. Flip-flopper is a term given to politicians who change their minds on one or two issues; but this is different.

How can anyone argue with someone who actually shifts positions during a debate?

By now, most voters have witnessed the Zelig-like Mitt Romney awkwardly transforming his political “principles” to conform to his audience. We all saw the video of Aristocrat Mitt and his wealthy supporters deriding middle-class Americans. On the Spanish-language network, Univision, Mitt Romney, clearly wearing brown-face makeup and speaking to an audience of bussed-in supporters, said he wants a “Republican version” of the immigration DREAM Act, a truly oxymoronic concept.

“I’m not going to be rounding people up and deporting them out of the country, we’re going to put in place a permanent solution.”

Details, of course, to be announced later. He then bragged about being the grandfather of the Affordable Care Act. That is quite different from his oft-repeated pledge to “repeal Obamacare on Day One” of his presidency.

During Wednesday’s debate, Romney revealed his latest position: He would keep all the good components of the Affordable Care Act, that everybody likes, and just repeal some nonspecific bad bits. Questioning Romney’s many formless plans, Obama said: “At some point, I think the American people have to ask themselves, is the reason that Governor Romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they’re too good?”

Obama pointed-out during the debate that Romney’s budget plan to extend the Bush-era tax cuts, double-down with an additional $5 trillion in tax cuts, increase the military budget by $2 trillion and still balance the federal budget, just didn’t add up. My second-grade math teacher here in Fairfield taught me much the same.

Instead of defending his obviously defective plan, Romney went into shape-shifter mode, insisting he never proposed those cuts, which are on his website, but if he did, he would balance them by eliminating some unidentified tax deductions.

Obama countered that there are not enough deductions available to equal such cuts. Then, Romney actually said this: “What I’ve said is I won’t put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. That’s part one. So there’s no economist that can say Mitt Romney’s tax plan adds $5 trillion if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.”

So there you have it: Romney’s tax plan won’t add to the deficit because he says so and no economist can possibly refute Mitt’s words.

Romney’s calculations seem good enough for his trusting, faithful supporters, but voters possessing basic math skills remain highly skeptical. I only wish President Obama had uttered a paraphrase of that famous line from the movie, “Billy Madison”: “Mr. Romney, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having listened to it.”

Well, not all of us are dumber.

Mike Kirchubel grew up in Fairfield and learned his basic math skills in the second grade at Fairview Elementary. He can be reached at [email protected] Go Fairview Black Panthers!

Mike Kirchubel


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  • rlw895October 08, 2012 - 1:20 am

    Romney has to rush now to convince the remaining undecided low-information voters that he is closet moderate that has been hiding his true beliefs to get the Republican nomination. That's good politics in a way, but doesn't give anyone much confidence that they have any idea what he will do. He seemed pretty proud of his ability to work with a heavily Democratic legislature in Massachusetts, but what he really did was have his vetoes overridden. Health care was on its way whether he liked it or not, so he decided to get in front of the parade so he could take credit for it. Little did he know the Massachusetts model would be used nationally and he would find himself in the position of having to disavow his previous leadership to get the Republican nomination for president. But when voting for president, I don't consider all that. I vote based on whom I would prefer making Supreme Court nominations. So I vote Democratic. We don't need, or deserve, more Thomas's, Alitos, Scalias, Roberts's, or Kennedys (in that order).

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  • G-ManOctober 08, 2012 - 3:26 am

    And if it's possible I'm sure Kirchubels loyal readers are dumber for having read this latest installment of Mike's Moronic Moans...Yes voters are troubled from Fairfield to Bangor about Romney..probably why everyone including Democrats say Romney won the debate and it's being reflected in the polls....So Mike thinks the president debated an Etch a Sketch huh?...WeLl if the little man does that bad against a plastic toy think how bad he'll be in the Town Hall Debate when he has to take questions from an audience a bit more informed than people like RLW,Buntin,and Kirchubel.

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  • G-ManOctober 08, 2012 - 3:35 am

    And here Chief Justice Roberts gave you liberal lug nuts the vote you needed to uphold the unaffordable healthcare act...just no pleasing some of you...and Kirchubel may have learned his oneseys and twoseys in 2nd grade but I'll bet he never heard the word Trillion during that time..time to put on big boy pants Mike

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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 08, 2012 - 12:01 pm

    RLW, the low information voters were pretty well skewered by Saturday Night Live. Anybody who is still undecided at this point has got to be low information by choice. My problem, and the problem for this nation, is the negative information voters - those who think they know what is going on, but got their information from Fox, conservative talk radio, and newspapers trying to sell an agenda to their audience instead of simply giving the public the news.

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  • rlw895October 08, 2012 - 5:01 pm

    Mike: Agreed. Those folks aren't undecided due to life in an echo chamber and an axe to grind from somewhere that put them there. I assume negative information includes distortions and outright lies.

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  • Frightening QuoteOctober 08, 2012 - 7:16 am

    Romney.....“I’m not going to be rounding people up and deporting them out of the country, we’re going to put in place a permanent solution.”......hmmmmmm.....google.....Is Swine Flu A Race-Specific Virus?

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  • Zelig is...October 08, 2012 - 7:54 am

    Zelig is a 1983 American film written and directed by Woody Allen, and starring Allen and Mia Farrow. Allen plays Leonard Zelig, a nondescript enigma who, out of his desire to fit in and be liked, takes on the characteristics of strong personalities around him. The film, presented as a documentary, recounts Zelig's intense period of celebrity in the 1920s and includes analysis from present day intellectuals......... The film was photographed and narrated in the style of 1920s black-and-white newsreels, which are interwoven with archival footage from the era and re-enactments of real historical events. Color segments from the present day interview real and fictional personages.......Referencing this is an example of Michael's Brilliance! (Smart is Sexy!) (He MUST have a high IQ!) Caveat -- Although I do not agree with him on many issues.......I toyed with the idea of having a "Make Mike Mad (Angry) Monday", but this is now cancelled due to his Brilliance! I will not be participating.

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  • G-ManOctober 08, 2012 - 8:04 am

    Kirchubel is brilliant?...STR you should really use bath salts as directed on the package....and heed the warnings..Kirchubel is million light years away from brilliant....but it should give his opponents comfort knowing that a looney tune like you supports his crap.

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  • I'll Take You ThereOctober 08, 2012 - 8:52 am


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  • Like a Dream Machine take me 4 a SpinOctober 08, 2012 - 10:26 am


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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 08, 2012 - 9:25 am

    Tammy, you forgot to mention that Zelig is hilarious. Five stars. Two thumbs up. If you don't have your own copy - try Blockbuster or "on demand" from Comcast. By the way, Glen, how do I comment on Hank's letter? There is no link - on second thought - probably better that way.

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  • We go the no cost routeOctober 08, 2012 - 9:34 am

    I had never heard of it before. I just placed a hold on it through solanolibrary.com. There are 3 copies in the Library system and I am now First on the holds list.

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  • G-ManOctober 08, 2012 - 7:57 am

    Don't be so afraid... Eisenhower rounded up mass numbers of illegals and deported them so did Truman...You see when people are in a country illegally one of the options is deportation...if "Frightening Quote" is a California poster what are you afraid of?..do you have a shortage of illegals in your state?....afraid the lettuce won't get picked?..Your toilets won't get cleaned?...You want to spin Romney's words into a III Reich final solution fantasy that's fine but if you're in California you have a lot more pressing problems to deal with.

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  • SavetheRepublicOctober 08, 2012 - 9:00 am

    Love is but a song we sing,.. fear's the way we die.. You can make the mountains.. ring, or make the angels cry.. Though the bird is on the wing.. and you may not know why...... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to .. love one another right now...... Some may come and some.. may go, we will surely pass.. When the one that left us here.. returns for us at last.. We are but a moments sunlight.. fading in the grass..... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to.. love one another right now..... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to.. love one another right now..... If you hear the song I sing,.. you will understand (Listen !).. You hold the key to love and.. fear all in your trembling hand.. Just one key unlocks them both,.. it's there at your command.... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to.. love one another right now.... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to.. love one another right now.. (I said !).... C'mon people now,.. smile on your brother.. Ev'rybody get together, try to.. love one another right now..... Right now !.. Right now !

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  • The Young Bloods - Get TogetherOctober 08, 2012 - 9:03 am


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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 08, 2012 - 9:13 am

    Gary, now that your voter suppression trick has been set aside, Pennsylvannia is turning blue. Trouble in paradise? According to the polls, California has a 100% chance of giving our elctoral votes to President Obama. Penn. is only now at 96%. If I were you, and thank God I'm not, I would be working closer to home - Trolling some Pittsy paper like the Post-Gazette or the Tribune Review. Which one do you read - if any? I may want to send them some op-ed pieces they can use.

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  • rlw895October 08, 2012 - 5:06 pm

    Mike: I've wondered what Gary is doing here. Maybe I missed the memo. Maybe he's some paid shill assigned to clog up this Web site.

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  • Mike kirchubelOctober 09, 2012 - 11:49 am

    Rlw, i rhought he was a troll, someone who gets paid to disrupt blogs, but now i just think he's just a pathetic, lonely guy... Perhaps afraid of blogging closer to home for fear of someone hunting him dowm And beating him to a pulp.

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  • Today on InfowarsOctober 08, 2012 - 8:54 am

    On the Monday, October 8 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks about ongoing and persistent outrages by the TSA against citizens, the dangerous deceptions of Whole Foods, and presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's pledge to help al-Qaeda overthrow the regime in Syria. Alex also talks with Matthew Stein, author of When Disaster Strikes, a disaster-preparedness manual now available at the Infowars Store. In the book, Stein outlines the materials you'll need to help you safely live through the worst. Matthew talks with Alex about the TV series Revolution and the possibility of an EMP or extreme solar storm taking down civilization. Alex also covers the latest news and takes your calls on today's worldwide broadcast.

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  • GoogleOctober 08, 2012 - 9:11 am

    Google....Masonic Turkey or Freemasonry in Turkey

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  • Third try Spooky StuffOctober 08, 2012 - 10:08 am


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  • CD BrooksOctober 08, 2012 - 10:22 am

    You have until Ocotber 22 (18 days)to register to vote. Please do so and participate in the process. If you choose not to, you have no say in the matter.

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  • Vote for What Exactly?October 08, 2012 - 10:36 am

    Which candidates Federal and local that will take us into an Orwelian Nightmare....Both sides are corrupt, remember the Illuminati controls mostly both sides of every contest even down to the local level. Mr. Brooks are you on the side of evil also? WAKE UP PEOPLE THE GENOCIDE IS OCCURING NOW. AIDS was targeted at Black Africans, Swine Flu at Hispanics, SARS at Asians, Yuppie Flu at whites. Most all the bad things that are happening really have been financed and planned by the Luciferians at the top of the food chain.

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  • Trance Formation of AmericaOctober 08, 2012 - 11:02 am

    This is the documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation. Chiseled deep into the white stone of the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters is a partial verse lifted from the Holy Bible and writings of Saint John...""and the truth shall set you free." This statement, like the agency, is total reality. The building that it is engraved upon houses the world's most successful manufacturer of lies to facilitate psychological warfare. The "Company" uses truth and technology as their raw materials to produce "pure" lies for control of you and America's allies. Book Trance Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien. 911 was also used as an excuse for The Patriot Act, NDAA and for the pre-stationing pre-postioning of troops (some brainwashed) across the US (Northcom in Denver is especially frightening)in prep for Marshall Law...what are they preparing for..shoul we be asking this question? 911 was an inside job planned by the Illuminati/posing Zionists/Republican NEOCONS (Cheney ect)/Bad Mossad w/some Saudi help and the complete cooperation of the high Illuminati Democratic leadership (they have kept quite and know the truth, Dems in congress helped fund the Wars, Iraq, Afghanistan, current Syria, Iran) Hillary and Bill are also high Illuminati. Mr. Obama is probably an MK-Ultra puppet, so is Romney also probably an MK-Ultraed puppet a Stepford Wife type Family.

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  • RacerOctober 08, 2012 - 4:50 pm

    I checked Romney's website as Mr Kirchubel suggested. Also checked a few other sources including President Obama's site. Mr K is regurgitating the Democratic talking point on the Romney tax plan. Here's how the Dems get to their "arithmetically true" conclusions: 1. Romney's proposed cuts in tax rates amount to $5 Trillion - probably true but they give no credit to the probable resulting increase in revenue due to increased economic activity. 2. Assume there are not enough loopholes to close to pay for the cuts and then further assume zero loopholes closed. 3. Assume Romney, being super-stupid, will spend on the military, debt reduction, etc. anyway. 4. Assume Romney will make up the resulting deficits by taxing the middle class $2000 each. So, the Dems conclude that because Romney disagrees with their twisted definition of his tax plan he is lying. Talk about arrogance! Incidentally, the economist upon whose work the Dem's analysis depends today came out to say they were wrong and that Romney's plan could very well be revenue neutral.

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  • rlw895October 08, 2012 - 5:09 pm

    So stimulus works?

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  • CD BrooksOctober 08, 2012 - 5:30 pm

    Bottom line, the facts is Romney's plan to slash individual income tax rates without losing federal revenue or favoring the wealthy is impossible.

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  • Danny BuntinOctober 08, 2012 - 6:10 pm

    @racer: We have cut tax's for the rich for the last 12 years. Are you feeling any of that economic flowering/trickle down? The wealth is no concentrated at the top, and they want to keep it that way. While revenue has dried up at the local level, due to low paying jobs.

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  • RacerOctober 08, 2012 - 7:17 pm

    To all. The point is that the other side made their own assumptions and defined the Romney tax plans to suit their own purposes. Then they called Romney a liar for not going along with them. I made no forecasts on how the tax cuts would work out. However, tax cuts by Presidents Kennedy, Reagan and W all worked to increase economic activity and thus revenues. Even President Obama tried some cuts, but they were small and temporary and therefore got little bang. When the rich have their next meeting to scheme against we peons we should email them our concerns.

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  • Danny BuntinOctober 08, 2012 - 8:12 pm

    @ Racer: Economic activity(spending) for whom? You keep saying activity. With 12 years of tax breaks, we should be booming according to your words(Kennedy, Reagan.....). The middle class does not have the discretionary funds to spend, as it once had. Who then will be doing the spending? The people with the gold sure aren't.

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  • rlw895October 08, 2012 - 10:33 pm

    Racer: Stimulus works, trickle-down doesn't. Putting money in the hands of consumers stimulates the economy because they spend it. Putting more money in the hands of the rich is far less simulative because they save it or invest it, unless you mean stimulate the stock markets. Kennedy cut income tax rates when they were much higher than they are now, so it's not comparable. Reagan did too, but found his cuts reduced revenue so he raised taxes later. W stimulated the economy with deficit spending; it's hard to tell what his relatively small tax cuts did. When it comes to taxes, the best way to stimulate the economy is to cut taxes on consumers. The best way to raise revenues is to increases taxes on high income and estates.

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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 09, 2012 - 6:49 pm

    Racist, the fact-checkers are in agreement that Romney's plan will add $4.8 trillion. I think $5 trillion is close enough and Romney agrees. So, what's your little point supposed to be? That $4.8 isn't $5? Hey. I'll give you that. Congrats, Romney's plan still sucks.

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  • You're a loser Kirchubel...Ha haOctober 08, 2012 - 8:02 pm

    What are you going to SPEW about once Romney gets elected? Maybe you can do a column about the windy weather here in Fairfield or maybe try interviewing the Elk on Grizzly Island?

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  • Danny BuntinOctober 08, 2012 - 8:13 pm

    Its past your bedtime, off you go.

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  • Obama is finished....October 08, 2012 - 8:34 pm

    Kirchubel has until November to convince the educated majority to vote for his Socialist president...good luck!

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  • Danny BuntinOctober 08, 2012 - 8:40 pm

    Two right leaning moderates are running. So you win, no socialist in the WH.

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  • Obamacare wasn't being a Moderate?October 08, 2012 - 8:46 pm

    That was Socialism at it's finest!

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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 09, 2012 - 6:55 pm

    Apparently your idea of socialism is having people buy health insurance from private insurers. Another brilliant right-winger feeding on negative information. RLW, this is what i was talking about. Beyond low information voters - into the world of negative information voters - assuming he or she is old enough to vote, of course.

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  • rlw895October 11, 2012 - 12:00 pm

    Right. This whole socialist thing is bizarre. We have lots of social programs that we like, but to call the US a socialist country is a corruption of the term. Any US president who supports the status quo can be called a socialist using the same corruption. Words cease to have meaning at some point. Obama may be a socialist compared to libertarians, but not compared to most Democrats. Romney may also be a socialist compared to libertarians (and his VP choice), but in his case, he would also be a socialist compared to most Republicans.

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  • Today Tuesday onOctober 09, 2012 - 9:04 am

    On infowarscom......On the Tuesday, October 9 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex confronts the latest news, including further developments in the economy as it continues its slow-motion implosion. He also talks about a prediction that within 75 years the trendy among us will be walking around with smart phones implanted in our heads, an idea that is one step beyond the predictions of the futurist Ray Kurzweil and others. Alex talks with pastor Lindsey Williams who has tracked the machinations of the elite as they choreograph the destruction of national economies and the sovereignty of nations. Williams is the author if The Energy Non-Crisis.Alex also takes your calls on today's show.

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  • StROctober 09, 2012 - 9:35 am

    The Oil Deception by Dr. Stanley "Stan" Monteith, Lindsey Williams, Ian Murry and Ed Deatherage (2005)......available on amazon.com.... Energy Non Crisis by Lindsey Williams (1985)

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  • The Road to WWIIIOctober 09, 2012 - 9:43 am


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  • The End Times?October 09, 2012 - 9:46 am

    See above.....We are on a road that leads straight to the World War 3, but in order to see that and to fully understand what is at stake you have to look at the big picture and connect the dots. This video examines the history of the dollar, its relation to oil, and the real motives behind the wars of the past two decades.

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  • The Intel agencies work for t/IlluminatiOctober 09, 2012 - 10:15 am

    Wednesday, October 3, 2012CIA, MI6, MIT(Turkish Intel) Broker Secret deals for transfering al-Qaeda fighters, weapons from Yemen to Syria Posted by Charleston Voice Related: Turkish Intelligence assisting al-Qaeda to fight in Syria

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  • Corrupt Intel works for Intl. Bankers 2 tryOctober 09, 2012 - 10:20 am


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  • We are set up on Global ChessboardOctober 09, 2012 - 10:35 am

    MI6/CIA created and controls Al-Qaeda ---'At present, with the help and direction of the United States and her helpers, Al-Qaeda forces located in Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Pakistan, Chechnya and other parts of the world are entrusted with a new task. They are ordered to go to Syria'

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  • Oil reserves off N. AlaskaOctober 09, 2012 - 10:24 am

    An IMPORTANT question is are there still untapped oil reserves on Gull island, is this vast reserve still intact and being kept a secret by the Global Bankers? Discuss who really owns and controls the oil companies.

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  • Praying for Intervention 3 tryOctober 09, 2012 - 10:48 am


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  • Mike KirchubelOctober 11, 2012 - 8:42 pm

    Joe Biden smack down! That little guy didn't have a chance.

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  • Joe PikeyOctober 11, 2012 - 8:51 pm

    I Agree...Biden rocked...No voucher required...

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  • Wednesday on InfowarsOctober 13, 2012 - 8:49 pm

    On the Wednesday, October 10 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex presents a special transmission on the rapidly accelerating build-up to war in the Middle East and its political and social ramifications. He also covers the government of Switzerland preparing for mass civil unrest and critical aspects of the economy dominating world news and portending a historically monumental global crisis. On today's worldwide broadcast, Alex talks with engineer, designer, and author Matthew Stein about the impending collapse and how we can prepare for it. Stein is the author of When Technology Fails and When Disaster Strikes, both available at the Infowars Store.

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  • Third try LinkOctober 13, 2012 - 8:56 pm


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  • Today Thursday on InfowarsOctober 11, 2012 - 8:50 pm

    Alex runs down the latest news today on the Thursday, October 11 edition of the show. Alex covers the latest developments in the unfolding war preparations against Syria as NATO member state Turkey forces down a Syrian civilian passenger plane and accuses the Russians and Syrians of collusion, a stunt that is nothing less than an act of war and a brazen violation of aviation protocol. Alex also covers the feeble attempt by the Obama administration and the federal government to make the faltering economy look like a bed of roses as the election approaches and Romney appears to be taking the lead in the polls. Paul Joseph Watson also joins Alex to speak about Bill Maher's recent bleats for population reduction through "pro-death" propaganda. Alex also takes your calls on today's worldwide broadcast

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  • Today Friday onOctober 12, 2012 - 10:17 am

    On the Friday, October 12 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex covers the debate last night between the two establishment vice presidential candidates, Joe Biden and Paul Ryan. He also talks about a disabled veteran who was labeled a terrorist for trying to investigate the cost of surveillance cameras. Alex covers the faltering economy Democrats insist on portraying as a rebound and the inexorable drift toward war. On today's broadcast, Alex welcomes back pastor Lindsey Williams and takes your calls.

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  • Wide AwakeOctober 13, 2012 - 1:15 pm


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  • Second try International Banking CartelOctober 13, 2012 - 9:20 pm


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  • ? ID the PlayersOctober 13, 2012 - 9:25 pm

    The Federal Reserve has been at the top of the news for a long time and it’s getting a lot of attention now as it appears the next down cycle in the depression may be upon us..... So what’s the real reason the world listens so intently to an Ivy League bureaucrat like Bernanke? Of course, it has nothing to do with him........... It’s who he is accountable to the international banking cartel:........ US -- Bank of America Securities LLC.. Cantor Fitzgerald & Co... Citigroup Global Markets Inc... Goldman, Sachs & Co... Jefferies & Company, Inc... J. P. Morgan Securities Inc... Morgan Stanley & Co. Inc.... Britain-- Barclays Capital Inc... HSBC Securities (USA) Inc... Switzerland -- Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC... UBS Securities LLC.... Japan -- Daiwa Capital Markets America Inc... Mizuho Securities USA Inc... Nomura Securities International, Inc... Germany -- Deutsche Bank Securities Inc... France -- BNP Paribas Securities Corp.... Canada -- RBC Capital Markets Corp... Scotland -- RBS Securities Inc... These institutions are the current primary dealers of the Federal Reserve System.....

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  • Chinese IlluminatiOctober 13, 2012 - 10:19 pm

    Beijing The Chinese elite is a merger between the Communist leadership, Hong Kong tycoons, and the criminal Triads. All three factions derive derive their power from Illuminati collaboration. China has appeared autonomous because the Illuminati developed the country internally, funding 'revolutionary' political parties spouting nationalist slogans. The reasoning was that the Chinese people would revolt against overt foreign domination, but embrace their place in the NWO if they believed they were in control. Lord Bertrand Russell revealed this plan in a report on China published in 1920: 'Out of the renaissance spirit now existing in China, it is possible, if foreign nations can be prevented from wreaking havoc, to develop a new civilization better than any that the world has yet known.' The fascist superpower we know today was created in the second half of the 20th century by the bogus Cold War dialectic of communism vs. capitalism. The stage was set in 1898 when Britain and China signed a contract stipulating that Hong Kong would be handed back to the Chinese in 1997. This meant that the fierce Communism of the mainland and laissez faire capitalism of Hong Kong were always destined to merge. The process of unification gave rise to the current China power elite. What follows is background of the three main factions. THE COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP Because Communism is an Illuminati creation, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) are by definition, Illuminati agents. Mao was a Soviet agent. (Mao-The Untold Story, Chang & Halliday, p.49.) He was a product of the Yale in China "Missionary" i.e. OSS, Skull & Bones program. The CCP implemented policies that set the foundations for an Illuminati super state. They unified the country, attacked traditional Chinese culture, instigated industrialization programs and created a common language. Wang Hao, a historian at the China Institute of International Studies, has recorded that Mao's deputy Zhou Enlai met David Rockefeller in June 1973: 'When meeting David Rockefeller, Zhou said to him that it was necessary to find appropriate methods conducive to the development of the trade between two sides under different political systems.' The corporate-communist merger began when Deng Xiaoping came to power in the late 1970s and introduced his market reforms with the slogan "to get rich is glorious." However, after 30 years of Maoism his regime was hopelessly ill equipped to run a market economy. They turned to the wealthiest Chinese tycoons in Hong Kong for guidance. THE HONG KONG TYCOONS The most powerful HK tycoon is Li Ka-Shing, the richest Asian in the world and an Illuminati insider. Other prominent tycoons are 'HK's godfather of real estate' Henry Fok, 'The king of gambling' Stanley Ho and the man who would be chosen by Beijing to head Hong Kong after the departure of the British, Tung Chee-Wa. It is important to realize that these men rose to power and prestige in a British colony, i.e. they were vetted by the City of London to be colonial leaders. This is illustrated by the rise of Li Ka Shing. As HK developed, Li emerged as the most brilliant Chinese entrepreneur. The 'Brotherhood bankers' of Hong Kong became aware of his mercantile genius and brought him into the fold. In 1979 Li took control of Hutchinson Whampoa, one of the old British companies that had long dominated Hong Kong's economy. Companies of such political importance are not given away casually. In 2000, the Queen awarded Li the title of 'Knight (Commander of the Order) of the British Empire.' In the early eighties, the tycoons and the communists had a series of meetings in Beijing. They struck a deal whereby the tycoons advised and educated the Chinese authorities about markets and in return Beijing gave them privileged access to their vast economic basin. In 1984 the two groups founded CITIC, the organization that managed China's transition to market economy. THE TRIADS The Triads is a collective term for the secret societies and criminal groups that originated in 18th century China with the aim to bring down the Qing dynasty. For over a century the Illuminati waged war against the Qing dynasty. The Triads were their vehicle for subversion and revolution, in a similar fashion to Freemasonry in Western revolutions. For instance, during the opium wars, the Triads helped bring the drug into China. The revolutionary Nationalist Government that toppled the Qing dynasty in 1912 was a coalition of triad groups. Sun Yat-sen, the man who led the nationalist coalition that toppled the Qing in 1912, was a Triad member and was trained and armed in British Hong Kong. Chiang Kai-shek was also a Triad member. When the Communists achieved dominance in 1949 they kicked the Triads out of the country. They fled mainly to Hong Kong and Taiwan to re-build. Chiang Kai-shek continued to publicly receive US funding. Today the Triads are best known as the world's largest criminal entity, involved in drug trafficking, prostitution, money laundering etc. They exist in any country with a large Chinese population, notably in Canada, Britain, USA and Australia. Former Canadian diplomat Brian McAdam said: "Within each Chinese community, there's usually a strong Triad presence controlling and extorting money from the businesses, and if there's drugs, they're bringing them in." Of the Triads enormous global reach Fritz Springmeier has written: 'The Triads are the most powerful criminal fraternal group in the world, except for the Illuminati and the families that make up the Illuminati's Committee of 300. The Mafia Is small peanuts compared to the Triads. The Triads are almost untouchable by any law enforcement group. For instance, in Great Britain the British do not have hardly any ethnic Chinese on their police force to even try infiltrating the Triads.' A key source of this power is that they partner the Far East Lodges of Freemasonry in running the Asian drugs trade, notably the production of heroin in the 'golden triangle' in South East Asia, second only to Afghanistan. Drug trafficking is very important to the Illuminati because it funds black budget programs. The most powerful Triads in Hong Kong have their own territories, headquarters, sub-societies and public fronts. They are allied with the tycoons. The tycoon's own Hong Kong and the triads run it. A few of these are Sun Yee On, Wo Hop To and 14K. To insure a smooth handover of Hong Kong in 1997, the communist leadership needed these groups onside. In the early 80s, the Chinese government convened a secret meeting between the 'Dragon Heads' of the major Triad groups operational in Hong Kong. The communists informed the dragons that if they agreed not to interfere with the takeover transition, they would be allowed to continue their criminal activities without interference. Following these successful negotiations, Deng Xiaoping spoke of the triads as Chinese "patriotic groups" and the Hong Kong press published a photograph of Charles Heung, a senior officer of Sun Yee On, conversing with Deng's daughter. In 1992, Western Intelligence Services became aware Wong Man Fong - formerly head of China's central news agency - was helping the triads to set up legitimate businesses in China, particularly in Guangzhou and Shanghai. CONCLUSION The mainstream media portrays China as hostile to Western power. However, by studying the triumvirate Chinese elite and their intimate ties to the Illuminati, it is clear that modern China is an Illuminati creation. The Chinese elite must never stray from the NWO agenda, for it follows that if the Illuminati made them, they can break them too.

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  • Arab IlluminatiOctober 13, 2012 - 10:36 pm

    The real Muslim Brotherhood is not the fanatical sheikh with his equally fanatical following, nor is it even the top mullahs and ayatollahs who lead entire movements of such madmen; Khomeini, Qaddafi, General Zia are exquisitely fashioned puppets. The real Muslim Brothers are those whose hands are never dirtied with the business of killing and burning. They are the secretive bankers and financiers who stand behind the curtain, the members of the old Arab, Turkish, or Persian families whose genealogy places them in the oligarchical elite…..and the Muslim Brotherhood is money. Together, the Brotherhood probably controls several tens of billions of dollars in immediate liquid assets, and controls billions more in day-to-day business operations in everything from oil trade and banking to drug-running, illegal arms merchandising, and gold and diamond smuggling……..a terrorists-for-hire racket; they are partners in a powerful and worldwide financial empire that extends from numbered Swiss bank accounts to offshore havens in Dubai, Kuwait and Hong Kong. The real story of the Muslim Brotherhood is more fantastic than the mere imagination of the author of espionage novels could create. It functions as a Conspiracy, its members exchange coded greeting and secret passwords, although no Formal membership list exists; its members are organized into hierarchical cells or orders. The Muslim Brotherhood does not respect national frontiers; it spans the entire Islamic World. Some of its members are government officials, diplomats, and military men; Others are street gangsters and fanatics. While the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are at home in plush-carpeted paneled board rooms of top financial institutions, at the lower levels the Muslim Brotherhood is a paramilitary army of thugs and assassins. At its highest Level, the Muslim Brotherhood is not Muslim.

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  • CommentaryOctober 13, 2012 - 10:50 pm

    See what helps give this away as Illuminati, is the use of the term Brotherhood.....Brotherhood of the Snake.....Brotherhood of Darkness....The Muslim Brotherhood......Nationalities do not matter.....claiming to follow any certain religion does not matter.....Zionists are the same way they hide behind Judaism......They are Luciferian/Satanists and the plot for The New World Order is so complete and complicated that it could only be orchestrated by Satan himself.......READ REVELATION IN THE BIBLE.....everything will be OK for people who accept Jesus as their Saviour.....any of us can die at anytime....so what if masses of us are killed off at one time, as long as we believe in Jesus. Thank You for your time and attention.

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  • Today Sunday on InfowarsOctober 14, 2012 - 5:49 pm

    On the LIVE Sunday, October 14 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex discusses the outlandish medical practice of misdiagnosing children with ADHD to justify psychotropic drug prescriptions with investigative reporter and writer Jon Rappoport. He also breaks down the escalating tensions between Turkey and Syria potentially foreshadowing World War III and the manufactured collapse of American and other world economies. We'll also cover the Internet firestorm of tweets and Facebook posts from people pledging to riot if Obama loses the election, as covered in Michael Snyder's article "Will the Election Results Cause Massive Riots to Erupt All Over America?" Tune in to the powerful broadcast from 4pm to 6pm Central Standard Time.

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