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By From page A8 | April 20, 2014

Hardly a week goes by without another story of questionable decision-making by government officials, whether it’s on the national scene or even closer to home.

It’s not enough that we’ve had controversies involving the National Security Agency, the IRS or the State Department, but now it’s even stretching to areas closer to home.

Case in point: The Spokesman Review in Spokane, Wash. reported last week of a federal lawsuit that emanated from a traffic stop in Payette County involving an Idaho State Police patrolman. The trooper pulled over 69-year-old Darien Roseen’s truck with Colorado plates as Roseen pulled into a rest stop just inside the Idaho border.

An in-dash video cam caught the whole thing on tape and it wasn’t very pretty. The trooper, who was listening to hard-rock music in his patrol car as he made the stop, proceeded to harass Roseen and suggested the driver was trying to avoid him. He claimed Roseen looked glassy-eyed and asked the visibly shaken Roseen when he last smoked marijuana.

Roseen responded he never had used any marijuana “in my entire life.” The patrolman then persuaded Roseen to begin unloading the back of the pickup. Believing he could “smell” something in the truck, the trooper chose to impound the vehicle for a complete search.

The vehicle was removed by another trooper, taken to a Payette County jail and searched. Nothing was found. Roseen, on his way home from his daughter’s baby shower, was detained for several hours.

Roseen believes he was targeted because both Colorado and Washington have recently voted to allow recreational marijuana use and the Idaho trooper was profiling cars that had license plates from both states.

Idaho State Police officials deny such accusations, but one wonders what possessed the Idaho trooper to use such a ridiculous and blatant abuse of police authority when there was no other reason to stop Roseen. Funny. A 58-year-old Spokane man with Washington plates claims he was pulled over in the same area along the Idaho interstate during a similar time frame without any apparent violation.

In another unbelievable stretch of authority, the Internal Revenue Service is at it again, trying to collect very old debts from family members of deceased taxpayers for mistakes the government made in handing out benefits.

Mary Grice, a Maryland resident, received a big surprise when the IRS claimed she owed $2,996 in debts to the Social Security Administration for a 37-year-old mistake the Social Security Administration made to survivors of Grice’s father, who died in 1960 when Grice was 4 years old. In 1977, the Social Security Administration overpaid someone in the family, possibly Grice’s mother, Sadie, who died four years ago.

Now, the government wants siblings, in this case, Grice, to pay for the mistake the Social Security Administration made, even though the debt is 37 years old. In this case, the Social Security Administration wants someone who was barely out of her teens when the mistake occurred to fork over the cash.

Legislation was approved a few years ago to allow this to happen – a single sentence in an unrelated farm bill. According to a story in The Washington Post, the Treasury Department “has intercepted almost $1.9 billion in tax refunds already this year – $75 million of that on debts delinquent for more than 10 years.” The Post reported that the Treasury Department has collected $424 million in debts that are more than 10 years old since the collection effort started in 2011.

Grice, like Roseen, has filed suit hoping to get some relief from the courts.

Grice’s first inclination something was amiss was when the IRS tagged her tax refund and deducted money owed by her deceased parents.

Collecting debts from deadbeats is one thing, but going after children of long-deceased parents just seems ludicrous. To simply deduct the debts from someone’s tax refund without any communication is just un-democratic.

But isn’t that what seems to be happening more and more with our government? What happened to the words of Abraham Lincoln? “Government of the people, for the people, by the people shall not perish from the Earth.”

Looks like the government is in the process of rewriting the quote to, “Government for the people, by and of the government, shall not perish from the Earth.”

We definitely need change, and soon.


Postscript to last month’s column: In March, I wrote about my niece, Lisa, and her family and specifically focused on her son, John Sherle. I mentioned John was one of the best high school point guards here in Idaho. State high school coaches must have agreed with my assessment. John was recently named to the first-team, all-Idaho State Basketball squad for 2014.

In review, John established myriad school records for his Rocky Mountain High Grizzlies.

  • Single game: free throws (12); assists (10).
  • Single season: free throws (71); assists (130); steals (78).
  • Career: points (678); field goals (248); free throws (148); assists (313); steals (168).

I just wonder what those career numbers might have looked like if John had not missed almost half his sophomore season with a broken hand. He’s a remarkable basketball player and even more remarkable young man.

Bill James is a former Daily Republic editor and publisher now living in Meridian, Idaho, a suburb of Boise.

Bill James


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  • ?April 20, 2014 - 8:47 am

    Are you a fan of Mr. Gopher?.....

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  • Rich GiddensApril 20, 2014 - 8:59 am

    You forgot the 800 pound gorilla in the national room---The Bundy vs Fed-gov-thug standoff in Nevada several weeks ago. That's the tipping point-----armed insuurection by an inflamed angry citizens and people who are ready to shoot at the government traitors.

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  • PornacApril 20, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Glad I live in a state where our elected representatives accepted Obamacare instead of a state that didn't and is therefore causing people to suffer and die unnecessarily.

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  • @PornacApril 20, 2014 - 9:18 am

    Do you have children Pornac? Any under the age of 20?

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  • https://americanfreepress.net/?p=2086April 20, 2014 - 9:16 am

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  • mike kirchubelApril 20, 2014 - 9:39 am

    I agree that the sins of the parents should not fall to the feet of the children and that the I.R.S. laws need massive revamping. But your title seems a bit over the top, a bit propagandy, when you lead with your otger story about an over the top cop. It sounds like you wanted people to believe the Republican myth that the Obama government is out of control and you succeeded with those who simply looked at the title, nodded their heads in agreement, and then moved on to the Sunday comics while they had Fox news on in the background.

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  • Spew U... Anyone who had a Heart...April 20, 2014 - 10:24 am


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  • Mr. SmithApril 20, 2014 - 10:40 am

    The Obama government IS out of control. Get your head out of it, Mike.

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  • Rich GiddensApril 20, 2014 - 11:05 am

    The facts show otherwise Komrade Kirchebel and now the IRS scandal is spreading to the Justice Department with the disclosure that Lois Lerner conspired with Justice Department t Officials to deny ordinary TEA Party Citizens their civil rights and to hurt them. Turns out that your mynah bird squawking claim of ''liberal groups were targeted too'' was a big fat Rat Political Party LIE, Komrade Kirchebel. You ought to be ashamed of what you believe and stand for.

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  • Rich GiddensApril 20, 2014 - 11:05 am


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  • But Remember People Romney is another NEOCON NWO GuyApril 20, 2014 - 10:36 am

    I have been seeing Romney all over Youtube on the adblocks. Romney is a friend of the Israeli Prime Minister and the Mossad was in on 9/11 JUST SAY NO TO ROMNEY... Do it Now Let your voices be heard... Do not just be part of the Republican NEOCON herd.... Remember Romney is a Corporate Raider type... NO NO NO NO to Romney he was endorsed by the Bushs/Cheney crowd who are the true 9/11 terrorists. Read Michael Rupperts Book... Crossing the Rubicon... one of Cheney's jobs on 9/11 was to oversee the War Games going on, on 9/11 which confused the Air Force and FAA so that they did not understand where to scramble our fighter jets and to make tracking the remote control piloted planes difficult for the Air Traffic Controllers.

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  • Rich GiddensApril 20, 2014 - 6:10 pm

    The first sentence should read''government crime, violation of rights and act of treason'' instead of ''questionable decision making''

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  • Rich GiddensApril 20, 2014 - 10:18 pm

    Dear Mr. James, it's with deep regret that I write to inform you.....enclosed are the photos, videos, documents, letters, court transcripts,......surely you are concerned that the Daily Republic has now clearly deviated from journalistic standards and the prescribed ethics of it's charter and profession...We need objective journalists who present all the facts and not just cherry pick the least salient ones in order to decieve and create false appearances by only taking an out of control extra-constitutional Government's side on rights violations and harm to ordinary loyal citizens....I must admit, you seem to understand that basic moral premise and your tenure there was marked by adherence to good journalistic practices the the citizens, voters and electors had confidence in....Gone now---a dark perpetual cloud hovers over it casting a pall of deceit, lies, along with government bullying and rights usurption before us.....God bless us and may God help us......

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  • George Guynn, JrApril 23, 2014 - 11:20 am

    Rich is right, BILL JAMES NEEDS TO COME BACK! Our present editor is a Lincoln Cultist. This translates to mean that no one can tell the truth about Lincoln. The public school system does it's best to see that this continues. Everyone should read Lincoln Unmasked by Thomas J. DiLorenzo and When in the Course of Human Events by Charles Adams for the real truth. Lincoln may have talked about power for the public in the Gettysburg Address quote above, but he didn't believe it. He also was either an agnostic or an atheist. Furthermore, Lincoln put 220,000 people in jail without a trial, suspending habeas corpus, while getting another 600K-700K killed in an undeclared Civil War. He also wanted to send all Blacks to another country and didn't have a problem with slavery. Just read his first inaugural address for proof. Why should such a bad person have a holiday to boot?

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  • The MisterApril 23, 2014 - 11:31 am

    Great points, George! I wonder if most of the American people have Stockholm Syndrome... where the captive falls in love with their captor? That might explain, somewhat, the cult of Lincoln.

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  • Tom NashOctober 09, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    Thanks for a great article. I have become very familiar with ROSEEN V. IDAHO since my experiences after entering Idaho via I-84 Eastbound in May 2014. Two very creative, bogus traffic stops within c.25 miles of entering Idaho. (not signaling for 5 full seconds before changing lanes...I read the statute, and a Boise attorney confirmed that it was 5 seconds OR 100 feet. At 75Mph, 100 feet is just under 2 seconds). The special exception of the "half -law" seems to be applied to motorists from the "wrong" state. I had not been pulled over in 35 years....now I'm stopped twice before I'm halfway to Boise. I was not asked for proof of insurance or registration on the first stop, and barely 15 seconds were spent on the traffic "violation". The next 20 minutes or so was spent answering a LOT if questions about destination, departure point, purpose if travel, how far it was (from the point that he stopped me ) to my destination, medical condition, prescription meds, and, first and foremost, marijuana, do I use it, anything illegal in the car, it. He threw in a free eye exam, too, when he noted that my eyes looked glassy. I took off my (thick) glasses and asked "well, what do they look like to you, cataracs?" He said "I don't know, I'm not an eye doctor". That struck me as funny,as I chuckled as I said OK. He "cut me loose, without citation. That encounter seemed odd, but I figured he was finally convinced that I wasn't a drug dealer,user, Communist, or Jihadist. About 10 miles down the freeway, ANOTHER trooper tears out from the median, pulls behind me, lights me up. I considered going to the next exit to pull over....I don't think standing on the shoulder of a hi-speed freeway is the best thing to be doing. Given that the next exit was over one mile away, I pulled off on the shoulder He did ask for proof of insurance after asking for my license. He spent some time back in his car, while I sat in mine. I thought I had been "vetted" at the first stop....with today's technology, background checks using license plate and driver's license info can return comprehensive results on backgrounds. About 10 minutes later another trooper pulls up with a K-9, and informs me that the "K-9 alerted" They asked me to exit the car, and repeated the question about "illegal substances". When I told them "no, nothing illegal" they asked if they could search my car.I wasn't too crazy about the idea, but I said yes. A. they would find a way to search it anyway b. I didn't want them taking my car somewhere else, and hanging me up any longer and c. I wanted, to some degree, be able to monitor the search. I did not want anything taken from, or ADDED TO, my cargo. And frankly, I was beginning to think that these guys had lost their marbles. The canine and handler search my vehicle, while the officer who initiated the second stop repeated most if the questions I had just answered 10 miles down the road.I was cut lose again with no citation, after the search cleared me. I asked the officer if they had been having problems with cars heavily packed for extended trips, thinking that maybe my luggage, file boxes, etc. may have made me such a popular target. He said "No, we're just out here trying to do our jobs and keep people safe". That answer fell a little flat, especially since I couldn't see how tearing out after somebody, on a fairly busy, high-speed freeway, made drivers safer. It seems disruptive to traffic flow, and "conducting business" on the shoulder of a 75Mph freeway doesn't seem to me like it promotes safety. I told them to "stay safe out there" as we parted, and I meant it. ISP is pulling over people for these so-called "violations", conducting lentghy interviews, and conducting searches on these shoulders, ALL of these factors make everybody LESS safe, in my opinion. I'll briefly summarize the aftermath...it occurred to me later, when I got past Boise, that these strange stops/search/extensive questioning might be related to WA. State Initiative 502, legalizing recreational marijuana use. I couldn't, and still can't, think of why 502 would increase major trafficking. The taxed, retail price of pot us said to be higher that the "street price", and I'm told that allowable quantities are limited. If a rum runner wanted to make a profit selling rum legal in one state in a state where it was illegal, it wouldn't make sense to me that the rum runner or moonshiner would buy at taxed, retail prices. I did some research that night, and quickly got up to speed on the Roseen v. Idaho case, as well as othe rreport of profiling. I felt that the lawyers representing Mr. Roseen should know that, 6-7 weeks after Mr.Roseen filed suit, Idaho was still at it. I gave the firm precise details re time, date, location of stops, and had a follow-up conversation about a week later. My primary objective was to let them know that profiling was alive and well in Idaho, that they should feel free to use my encounters in their case, and that I would appear as a witness if they desired. I also wished them and Mr. Roseen the best if luck in their lawsuit. About a week later, I received an email from the law firm. A public records requests resulted in the response that they .."COULD FIND NO RECORD IF ANY ENCOUNTER WITH ME." A public recordss request for Paul Dungan, the 58 yea-old Spokane man profiled in Idaho, also came up empty. ISP spokeswonan Ms. Baker stated "We're not saying he's lying at all..we just COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING." I mentioned to the Boise attorney that, absent those records that "can't be found", it is impossible the ever know the true extent of the profiling. This also, or course, waters down the plaintiff's supporting evidence, but I suppose from the defendants' point of view, their OK with the lack of records. If I were to become peripherally involve in the Roseen case, I would have limited discussing the profiling issue and my own experience. The lack of any documentation likely chokes off, or at least greatly waters down, any contribution I could make to the plaintiff's case. That was THE FINAL STRAW for me, the "game-changer". I have subsequently "assisted" Idaho in filling in their record-keeping gaps, and have posted repeatedly on FACEBOOK, BLOOMBERG, RUETERS, JONATHAN TURLEY'S WEBSITE, ETC. I want to see that Idaho gets the full recognition it deserves for their program if license plate profiling. Sincerely, Tom Nash (509) 956-8211

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  • Rick WoodOctober 09, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    When government decides or is forced to be low-tax, it tends to become high-fees and fines.

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  • Tom NashOctober 11, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Rick- The fines and fees may not offset the costs of lawsuits. Loss of tourism could be another factor; my future avoidance of Idaho is not exactly going to bring the state to its knees, but there is a growing, legitimate concern about Idaho's law enforcement, especially among WA.CO motorists.

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  • CD BrooksOctober 11, 2014 - 1:20 pm

    Mr. Nash, my Niece just began attending College of Idaho located in in Caldwell. We will be driving that way through Nevada over the next four years to visit and I never heard about these issues. Is this the standard across the state or just nearer Boise? Wondering if it is because so many law enforcement retirees are there? Thank you for exposing this unethical treatment.

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  • Tom NashOctober 11, 2014 - 4:31 pm

    PS Mr. Roseen was stopped immediately after entering Idaho via I-84 Eastbound from Ontario , OR. I was pulled over (the first time) about 10 miles east of the OR/ID on the same freeway, I-84 Eastbound, after leaving Ontario. Both Mr Roseen and I met the IDAHO WELCOME WAGON in Payette County. My second stop, about 12 miles down the road going toward Boise, may have been Canyon CO. or still Payette..I'm not sure where the county line is. I think Mr. Dungan was stopped on I-90 Eastbound around Couer d Lane...I'd have to recheck the Betsy Russell article in the Spokesman Review.

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  • Rick WoodOctober 11, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    Tom: I'm not in favor of speed traps. Boycotting Idaho is fine with me. Let them pride themselves in being low tax, but there are these consequences.

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  • Tom NashOctober 11, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Rick....not sure if my previous reply went thru...about the speed traps you mentioned. I'm actually used to some of those in a couple of smaller towns I go through on my drives from WA. to my Phoenix-Tempe condo. The extended dash cam video shows the trooper tearing out after Mr. Roseen immediately after Roseen crossed into Idaho from Ontario on I-84 eastbound. Any alledged traffic violations (failure to signal, bumping the curb at the rest area ) happened AFTER the trooper started to pursue him. In my case (c.10 miles east of where Mr. Roseen was confronted by the trooper), I was pulled over for not moving into the left lane for the officer on the shoulder. He was in his vehicle by himself (no other vehicle) . A car was about to pass me in the left lane, and I could have gunned it and cut in front of him to move over. Or braked, slid in behind him, then gunned it to avoid getting plowed under in the 75 MPH Zone.Since it "wasn't close"...i.e., the trooper was in his car, not close to the travel lanes) I just slowed down and moved over the left within my own lane. Given my WA. state plates, and what happened later, there is no doubt in my mind that if I HAD made the lane change, he would have pulled me over for that. In any case, he spent maybe 15 seconds talking about my traffic " infraction"..... the next 20 minutes or so involved a LOT of questions which I detailed in my posting, and the free eye exam...the same "glassy eyes" diagnosis Mr. Roseen got. The second stop was about 12 miles east of the first, about 25 miles from the Ontario border. It was getting close to noon, and at this rate I was wondering if I'd make the c.30 miles to Boise by nightfall. I had moved over into the left lane for several vehicles I saw about to merge on. The "reason" given for the second stop was the 5 second signal law. He didn't mention the "OR 100 feet" part of that statute....as I noted in my posting, Idaho enforces 5 seconds or 100 or 5seconds period if you gave the wrong plates. Again, the traffic "infraction" was barely mentioned, and it was clear that this was not about my driving .The "illegal " substances questioning and the K-9 that was calked in made that very clear. The conversations with the three officers involved in the two stops was pretty low-key and polite both ways, and when my car was searched, the contents weren't disturbed. I had been concerned that they'd just dump everything on the shoulder of the freeway, and leave me to repack everything. Beneath the polite surface, I guess for whatever reason, we have a drug user or smuggler here. I couldn't exactly come out and say it, but I'm thinking I've never seen such chicken---- "law enforcement" in my life.

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  • Tom NashOctober 11, 2014 - 9:28 pm

    Rick -too corrections on my last post...I meant to type ..if you HAVE Wa. plates, not "gave" Wa. plates ( tiny onsceen keyboard) ....also, toward the end if my post, "I guess they were thinking they had a drug user or dealer or smuggler"..... .I left out the "I guess they were thinking" part........probably a Freudian omission, now that I think about it !

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  • Rick WoodOctober 11, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    Tom: I wonder if the federal seizure rules are at play also. Police all over the country are profiting. There's a story in the Washington Post.

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  • Tom NashOctober 14, 2014 - 11:48 pm

    Rick....The recent John Oliver video on "civil forfeitures" is a must see.

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  • Rick WoodOctober 15, 2014 - 7:30 am

    Funny, entertaining presentation of a serious subject. I noticed he started by citing the Washington Post investigation. Is that's what's happening in Idaho?

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  • Tom NashOctober 15, 2014 - 8:02 am

    Rick- I don't know where Idaho ranks as far as these civil forfeitures...I may try to get some $$numbers on that. I know that the ISP trooper DID ask Mr. Roseen about the amount of cash he had....I was not asked that, but an attorney was curious if they had asked me about cash.

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  • Rick WoodOctober 15, 2014 - 8:21 am

    No one who is stopped for a traffic violation has to answer that question. It's practically guaranteed that if you are asked that question, you're dealing with a cop on a civil forfeiture fishing expedition. The law should prohibit the police from asking that question.

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  • Tom NashOctober 21, 2014 - 9:54 pm

    Rick....There was an article published on Oct.10th, 2014 by Geoffrey Talmon, for The Idaho Freedom Foundation.It's about civil forfeitures, and I'll quote part of it: "It is difficult to know how extensively civil forfeiture is used in Idaho, because of the lack of reporting. We don't know how much is being taken, we don't know how the property is being disposed of, and we don't know what's being done with the proceeds." Guess Idaho's consistent, anyway.....they don't know who/can't find anything about certain "traffic" stops/searches. Just a minor record keeping glitch.

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  • Rick WoodOctober 21, 2014 - 11:36 pm

    The lack of information itself is an outrage, if true.

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