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I just read an article from Forbes by Avik Roy dated Feb. 5, titled “White House: It’s a good thing that Obamacare will drive 2.5 million Americans out of the work force.” The Congressional Budget Office said that by 2024, the Affordable Care Act will reduce the United States labor force by 2.5 million fulltime workers.

But the most troubling thing is what White House press secretary Jay Carney said: That 2.5 million Americans leaving the work force was a good thing “because they would no longer be trapped in a job.” He went on the say Americans should stop working so they can pursue their dreams. I almost could not believe what I just read, but this is coming from the Obama White House.

Now if you still do not believe that President Obama is leading us down the road to socialism, you need to get your head out of the sand. This is just another step closer to total government control of every area of our life. Obamacare is taking away the incentive for people to work. By subsidizing health care, this will allow workers to work less and still maintain the same effective income. MSNBC, The New Republic and The Los Angeles Times said it is a good thing for fewer Americans to be economically self-sufficient.

The more people become dependent on the government, the less they will want to or have to work. This will keep the liberal, progressive, socialists like President Obama in power, and if you think about it, he just might remain in power for a long time. Why, you ask? Because people will be reluctant to vote to have something taken away from themselves – and that is a scary thought.

I will leave you all with this quote from Thomas Jefferson: The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Rudolph Madronich

Fairfield

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  • Tax PayerFebruary 20, 2014 - 5:43 am

    Very true comments. Our society and way of life is going down a very bad path but that was the master plan as he was elected in 2008. I hope all liberals are happy on the way we are going.

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  • The MisterFebruary 20, 2014 - 6:14 am

    Hey TP, the "master plan" began a long time before 2008. Do a search on "45 goals of communism read into the congressional record". This is from 1963 when Congressman Herlong of FL stood on the House floor and read these striking 45 goals of communism against the US into the Congressional Record. That was 1963. You'll be amazed at how many of them have been achieved since then. Just amazed. Then you should be mad that we are victims to an orchestrated foreign takeover of our country. And never a shot was fired.

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  • PornacFebruary 20, 2014 - 7:09 am

    If a Bush was president, we'd just get another war to fix everything.

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 7:09 am

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all). After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

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  • Danny BuntinFebruary 20, 2014 - 7:58 am

    MR P: "Obama's socialism worked ", After reading that line, I had to clean my monitor after spitting up my coffee. Where is the socialism????

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 6:21 pm

    Danny, call it what you want. The point is still valid.

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  • LilFebruary 20, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    Ok, first of all, there is no way that an econ professor never failed a student. Those classes are hard and some people just never pick it up, having to go through it more than once. I used to tutor college-level econ, I've seen the struggles. And there will always be those who just want to skate by. But there are also students in college because they want to learn, not just to get a good grade. I took econ because I was interested in the subject, not because it was part of my major. Other students are the same way. So while this story is a nice little fable, it is not entirely true. Some people work hard because hard work is its own reward.

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 6:27 pm

    Lil, I would call it more of a parable than a fable. The point is if you reward people for not being productive they never will be. And eventually, the people that are holding them up will become disenfranchised. If you want a good articulate explanation, do a You Tube search, "No ObamaCare" and click on the first result.

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  • Danny BuntinFebruary 20, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    That straw-man tale you cut and pasted would be a little more fitting for communism, not socialism. I wonder what think tank made up that tale?

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    Danny, it's been around for decades in one form or another. It really doesn't matter how you label it. It's the wrong direction.

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  • Danny BuntinFebruary 20, 2014 - 9:45 pm

    Can you point to any nations that have socialized medicine that bare any of the tales in the story??

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 10:06 pm

    Can you point to another nation, that for a select group that doesn't have employers sponsored health insurance, pays for more of the health care cost if they choose to work less?

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  • Danny BuntinFebruary 20, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    All of the above. If you produce less taxable income, it will happen, and does happen from countries that have socialized medicine.. Unfortunately for your argument, it does not have the ripple/domino effect as in that nice FALSE story you are propagating. Are you able to show me a nation that has fallen do to socialized medicine? There are plenty to sample from.

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  • LilFebruary 20, 2014 - 8:39 pm

    Obviously I did not tutor college level Literature or I would have known the difference between a fable and a parable. I also get affect and effect confused. But I am good with there/their/they're.

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  • JBFebruary 20, 2014 - 8:04 am

    Add raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour and more loss of jobs,it's just what the dictator wants. He gets what he wants , because there are no rules for the President.

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  • Danny BuntinFebruary 20, 2014 - 9:58 pm

    Maybe we could cut it to 5 bucks an hour and double the minimum wage workforce. We could get a value meal for nearly half of what we pay now. That would literally be income distribution. Which is what really has been happening for the last 3 1/2 decades, by keeping everyone's wages artificially low.

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  • just a thoughtFebruary 20, 2014 - 8:56 am

    I think you may need a little help interpreting what you read Mr. Madronich. While 2.5 million people may seem like a huge number at first lets take a closer look. 2.5 million stretched out over 10 years is an average of 250,000 per year. Now stretch that out over 50 states and you get 5,000 people per state per year. Is it outrageous to believe that 5,000 people per state each year put off retirement to make certain that they care afford health care and not be a burden on an allready overburdened system? I know the socialists scare the simple minded, but some people are still responsible Americans and are putting off their dreams to pay for their healthcare, as is evident by the statistics you have tried to spin here. Sure Obamacare has many many flaws, but we dont need to invent any more with this kind of b.s.

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  • Rudolph MadronichFebruary 20, 2014 - 9:55 am

    Just a thought: Simple minded I guess this simple mind of is not able to see through your spin, 2.5 million people over 10 years may not seem like much but that is how socialism works little by little they change the mindset of people and take control every aspect of our lives. What you failed to comment on is what MSNBC, The New Republic and the Los Angeles Times reported that it is a good thing for fewer Americans to be economically self-sufficient. By being economically self-sufficient you are not dependent on the government to control your life but I guess my simple mind can not see that.

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  • just a thoughtFebruary 20, 2014 - 10:46 am

    Mr. Madronich, first I would like to point out that I refered to you as Mr. Madronich as a showing of respect. The simple minded comment was a generalization not intended to call you a name yourself. I also would like to again point out that Obamacare has many flaws. But at the same time i believe the 2.5 million people the Whitehouse spoke of is intended to be the soon to be retirees that I mentioned. So how is it now that Americans that have worked all their lives and are set to retire are part of this great socialist plot? I sure hope you yourself are not retired or around the retirement age, because I sure would hate to see you contribute to the greater good of the socialist movement by retiring and living your dreams. What a travesty that would be for the American people.

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  • Mr. PracticalFebruary 20, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    Just a thought, the CBO's projection is not just based on those ready to retire, unless they want to retire early. Taxpayers should not be subsidizing early retirement. If they are at normal retirement age they have Medicare. As you said, ObamaCare has many flaws. Some will turn out to be fatal. The problem in this case, is healthy, able people of all ages are going to be encouraged to produce less to get more. That's never a good idea.

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  • Salty DogFebruary 20, 2014 - 5:58 pm

    Im suprised that the likes of CD and mike kirchy have nothing to say.

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  • CD BrooksFebruary 21, 2014 - 6:32 am

    Salty Dog, I've all ready stated my position on the matter more than once. When are you going to bring a cogent thought of your own to anything here?

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