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From page A8 | December 30, 2013 | 38 Comments

In a recent column, one of my favorite liberals, using his usual long-winded way, clearly demonstrated the difference between liberals and conservatives. Many of his quotes show how they justify an inability to cut back on spending money belonging to us. I believe he has forgotten the direction John F. Kennedy took, when he recognized high taxes for everyone can curtail economic expansion.

Some of the quotes, in case you missed them, are as follows: “about the evils of income redistribution by taxation. Should we continue such an unfair practice? I certainly hope so.” “Taxes are not punishment. We are simply trying to pay for the quality of life we Americans have become accustomed to and to balance the federal budget.” “Listen up all you fat cats, I want to put a dent in your conceits.” And, “Vote Democratic if you want them to pay more (because they can).”

Thank you, sir, I could not have stated your side better. The Democrats admit that they cannot restrain themselves from spending more and more money, even if they don’t have it. Conservatives believe in a smaller, more efficient government. We believe that government is not always the answer. Actually, we believe that big government is the problem, as pointed out by President Ronald Reagan.

We want the government to get out of the way of progress. If you don’t understand this, consider how many employers have left our cities and state to relocate to states more receptive to business. The difference between the two parties is crystal clear.

Let me point out that entities that are in real financial trouble have, for the most part, been under Democrat control. Remember the financial woes of Detroit, Stockton, Vallejo, San Jose and, of course, our own state? By contrast, note that states run by Democrats to those run by Republicans. Which states are doing well?

Yes, I agree with the author, “Vote Democratic if you want them to pay more (because they can).” However, if you want to turn this big steaming mess around, look to other ideas for the solution, because the present party’s (in office) ideas are not working.

Rod Keck

Fairfield

Letter to the Editor

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  • Mike KirchubelDecember 23, 2013 - 5:03 pm

    This guy deserves his own column here. He's as good as O'really and Tommy Sowell put togerher. Im glad he has this release. Without it, he might blow an O ring.

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  • CD BrooksDecember 23, 2013 - 6:18 pm

    Keck sounds like retch. Pretty much what he produces in every letter.

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  • rlw895December 23, 2013 - 7:13 pm

    Notice Rod doesn't compare Democrats and Republicans, but Democrats and "conservatives." He can then define conservatives any way he wants, but the way he defines them, they have never been in power. The Republicans, who have been in power, have piled up huge deficits, not just by spending "money belonging to us," but money not belonging to us. I suppose "conservatives" wouldn't do that, by definition, but we've never elected such conservatives into power. When it comes to bringing the debt as a percentage of GNP down, the Democrats have a better record than the Republicans, conservatives should prefer the Democrats over the Republicans. Maybe they don't like the Democrats, but they should like the Republicans less. Reading Rod's letter, I can't tell what he thinks of Republicans.

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  • DanielDecember 30, 2013 - 7:28 am

    RW apparently you didn't read the letter completely, here's what Keck said "Let me point out that entities that are in real financial trouble have, for the most part, been under Democrat control. Remember the financial woes of Detroit, Stockton, Vallejo, San Jose and, of course, our own state? By contrast, note that states run by Democrats to those run by Republicans. Which states are doing well?"

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  • Mike KirchubelDecember 30, 2013 - 8:04 am

    "Which states are doing well?" That's an obviously broad question, but if you were to ask which states have the largest percentage of their population in poverty, on food stamps, and welfare, the answer is the Republican-run states.

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  • Mike KirchubelDecember 30, 2013 - 8:18 am

    Danny, you seem to have political opinions based on what you think the facts should be, rather than upon actual facts. I'm beginning to think that may be a common problem with the right-wingers and a bar to effective communication between proponents of differing political philosophies. "Castles made of sand fall in the sea, eventually."

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  • CD BrooksDecember 30, 2013 - 8:36 am

    Mike I agree, there seems to be some disconnect for a few of these folks. If they'd only turn a page and get the facts in context. But objective research would lead them to the truth and that is apparently what they're most afraid of!

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  • Captain Horatio Hornblower (1951) - Journey's endJanuary 10, 2014 - 6:39 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDBkD9fZEew

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  • LeaveMeAloneJanuary 08, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Not so, Mike. You don't have the hard data to back up that assertion. In fact, plenty of data shows that you are wrong.

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  • rlw895December 31, 2013 - 1:11 am

    Daniel: Yes, I suppose one could divine from that that "conservatives" prefer Republicans at the state and local level. I was speaking about the national level.

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  • Tax PayerDecember 30, 2013 - 7:03 am

    My two cents: Abolish both parties and vote all out of office. Put folks in that follow the constitution, capitalistic ideas and hold all folks accountable to care for themselves. There are far too many folks taking the easy road by getting out these hand out benefits paid for by tax payers. I would support anyone that has lost there job for 6 months. After that they are on their own. My parents raised three kids on very little and showed us we needed to ready to go out in the big world and support ourselves. Too often parents that have been on government assistance for years pass on this to there kids. Kids only know what there parents tell and show them. Some raise themselves up and become a production part of society while most stay on the government dime until they have another generation of kids.

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  • Mike KirchubelDecember 30, 2013 - 8:35 am

    Constitutionally speaking, you could vote everyone out of office, but how would you "abolish both parties"? How would you elect people who would follow the Constitution when usually the candidate who has the most campaign money wins? The people who give large amounts of money to the candidates want something in return, and it isn't the Constitution. What, in your mind, are "Capitalistic ideas"? Are you talking about survival of the fittest? It seems like you are when you say that folks should care for themselves. How would 99% of us do in that world? How would you do? You seem to have some compassion, with your 6 months of unemployment insurance. Is that because you realize that workers purchase unemployment insurance, Social Security, State Disability insurance, and Medicare, with every paycheck they get?

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  • tax payerDecember 30, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Mike, I am compassionate to those that work hard at whatever they copse to do. I am not compassionate to those that believe the world owes them freebies that there parents got when they were growing . I am not naive enough to believe the popliteal parties will be address any time soon. For me personally I am in the 99% of folks that believe in old American values, work hard, have strong ethics and integrity.

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  • Mike KirchubelDecember 30, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    T.P., I didn't realize you were having a party in back of your knee. That said, I don't believe there are many people, including politicians on either side, who want to give those who "believe the world owes them a living" anything other than a bare subsistence. Now, if you think that 99% of us are hardworking, what do you want to do with the 1% left over? Do you want the wealthy to continue to get taxpayer money and tax loopholes we don't qualify for?

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  • Salty DogDecember 30, 2013 - 10:41 pm

    Mike Kirchubel has 5 of the 11 comments on this thread. CD are you yawning yet

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  • rlw895December 31, 2013 - 1:13 am

    Give us a little time

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  • Rick WoodDecember 31, 2013 - 1:46 am

    Rod's "favorite liberal" is Jack Batson, who wrote his column "Start at the top and raise taxes" December 20. There are plenty of comments there if you want to see more debate, in context. I'm not sure why the DR won't name names in letters to the editor.

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  • Rick WoodDecember 31, 2013 - 2:02 am

    Notice Keck criticizes Batson's remarks about the best way to raise revenue by talking about spending. It doesn't connect. I don't adopt Batson's exact words, but I agree with him that the best way to raise revenue in a recession and at the same time not exacerbate after-tax income and wealth concentration at the top is through a more progressive tax system. That means higher tax rates on high income, capital gains, unearned income, and large estate transfers. The idea of a fractional tax on stock trades is also a good one. Others here well refute Keck's assertions about the Democrats being bigger spenders than Republicans, but the debate should be about the differences in the parties on how to best generate revenue. Those differences are huge, and the Republicans are using every tool at their disposal to preserve the regressivity of our present tax system to favor the 1% at a time when they hardly need it. It's only a small number of the 1% that are driving this Republican "prime directive," which means the rest of us need to vote Democratic until the Republicans right their ship.

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  • Rick WoodDecember 31, 2013 - 2:17 am

    In the news: France has adopted the world's most progressive income tax system. The top rate will be 75% on income over 1,000,000 euros. That's what a socialist government does during a recession to balance its budget while not adopting a purely socialist solution. After all, France is still a pretty conservative country and believes in capitalism and free enterprise. They simply balance that with the philosophy that it's economic superstars owe the country something significant for their success. Progressive taxes are patriotic. We're not France, but we could easily do something similar though not so extreme: Add income tax brackets until reaching 70% on income over $4,000,000 per year. Right now that income is taxed at the much lower rate of 39.6%, the same rate someone with 1/10 the income pays on his top dollars earned. For the rich we effectively have a flat tax, the conservative dream for preserving and enhancing wealth. If we had a more progressive tax system, it would take the wind out of the sails of those who object to income concentration per se. I know I, for one, would not care about some people making billions if I knew a large fraction of that income was going back into the country that made it possible and indirectly benefiting me. That's not income redistribution; it's how a capitalist/free market economy has to work to be sustainable. Adam Smith himself saw that.

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  • B. ThiemerDecember 31, 2013 - 8:50 am

    "but the debate should be about the differences in the parties on how to best generate revenue. " I disagree- the debate should be on which philosophy will provide the services the people want for the best value. The role of the government is not 'to raise revenue'.

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  • The MisterDecember 31, 2013 - 8:56 am

    Seems like it would be at least slightly important to protect and defend individual liberty. Is that a plank in any party?

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 08, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    TM: Absolutely. But the Republicans define individual liberty as the right to exploit other Americans. It's that definition that you have to start with.

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  • LeaveMeAloneJanuary 08, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Rick Wood: That is a flat out, unmitigated lie, period, end of subject. If you can prove it, show me.

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  • CD BrooksJanuary 08, 2014 - 5:32 pm

    LeaveMeAlone, Mr. Wood is 100% correct, where have you been? Need an example? States like Texas, Florida, Ohio, Georgia, Texas, and Arkansas are trying to do an “end around” the Constitution to satisfy their (religious) interpretation. This isn't new, I've been telling you and they've been telling you your rights mean nothing for years. Now they're actually moving forward to prove it. Scoff away FDC, but don't run, bring me your "truth."

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  • Punctures PrigsJanuary 08, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Aw, Heck, CD. You're such a kidder! Buts can you or your fellow joker prove....PROVE.... that " Republicans define individual liberty as the right to exploit other Americans."? Of course not. So, as stated, Rick the kidder took a cheap shot and of course, you had to leap to your fellow prig's defense. Silly little men.

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  • CD BrooksJanuary 08, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    FDC okay, we're done here...

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 10, 2014 - 3:58 am

    LMA: Deregulation=Liberty. The markets will regulate themselves. Republican mantra until that lie was so blatant they couldn't fool even some of the people all of the time. How about the "trickle down" theory to justify regressive taxation?

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  • Punctures PrigsJanuary 08, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    For whatever it is worth, 15 of the 23 comments as of now (65.2 percent) are from the Three Little Prigs. Oink......

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 10, 2014 - 4:24 am

    PP: That's because the other side is blinded by our illumination. (And because StR has been wasting column-inches somewhere else.)

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 08, 2014 - 2:19 pm

    BT: That's fine, but both parties want to spend more money than we can generate with our present tax system. So we either change that system or borrow more money.

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  • Mr. SmithJanuary 08, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    "The Republicans define individual liberty as the right to exploit other Americans." RW, where can I find that definition (or anything close to it) spelled out in writing? Do Democrats "exploit other Americans?" If so, under what rubric?

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 10, 2014 - 4:08 am

    Mr.S: Observe and learn. I'll try to point examples out to you has events progress. I started above. CD has some good ones: Conservatives love the government when it "protects" their "liberty" by crushing freedom and liberty in an unfavored minority. Otherwise, they want government "out of the way" so we can enjoy an ungoverned world. "Free up" the markets for shoddy or adulterated products.

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  • Mr. SmithJanuary 10, 2014 - 6:24 am

    This thread should be re-titled, "Down the Progressive Rabbit Hole," with Rick, Mike and CD. But I kind of like the fact that we seem to be morphing into more of an opinion-based comment board and not so much one that is obsessed with "research, citations and context" to the exclusion of everything else.

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  • A Question for you Mr. Smith?January 10, 2014 - 9:20 am

    What matters most?....Revealing THE TRUTH....THE FACTS ( as can best be determined considering all the Obfuscation of Government and Main Stream Disinfo Media left and right), or our individual opinions, which let us face it are just selfrighteous selfserving myopic fluff.....Now you tell me what really matters?......One thing I am trying to clear up is the THEY, we used to hear from all groups that THEY are harming the country/world....See I have to quote actual events/news to help us IDENTIFY THE THEY.......See the Demons work through real people...We need to IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE to SOLVE THE PROBLEMS....You all are just too lazy to PAY ATTENTION.

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  • CD BrooksJanuary 11, 2014 - 6:59 am

    Mr. Smith, that was sort of a shot and not a fair one either. Context is king and research is often necessary to find it. Sorry but it is not okay to cite misinformation as fact. People express “their” opinions everyday based on what they believe is truth because they “heard it somewhere.” How can you have credibility and make a legitimate argument when presenting a lie? A lie is harsh, how about spreading deliberately edited materials that falsify the original account? My obsession with traffic is life-long and my concern for the lack of enforcement is an attempt to draw attention to the real problem here. Think safety and revenue. Think of collecting bad guys and their awesome booty. If that doesn’t interest you, ask what are we paying these folks for?

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  • Rick WoodJanuary 11, 2014 - 1:06 pm

    Mr.S: I'll add footnotes when I write my book. In the meantime, you can write off my utterances as opinion and ignore any substantiation your own eyes provide.

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  • Mr. SmithJanuary 11, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    RW: You and CD don't get it--you take umbrage when I label your thoughts as opinion. I LIKE opinions on occasion. It wasn't a slam. Everything in its own season.

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  • rlw895January 11, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    Isn't everything opinion here? Just about. No need to add labels.

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