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From page A8 | March 15, 2014 |

I have to assume I read a different “prejudice” opinion by CD Brooks than his complainers. As an agnostic myself and one who prefers no organized religion affiliation, I too see and read where extreme religious zealots do indeed practice prejudice, all under the banner of religious freedom.

Members of my family still believe in God, the Bible, etc. and truly follow its teachings. These include respecting the freedom and rights of all, not just those to whom we wish to dictate our own private religious beliefs and insist they live as we do. That of course includes atheists, agnostics, gays, minorities or the folks next door or down the street, regardless of color or gender.

My family, (even though we disagree on organized religion or the Bible) don’t carry signs on Travis Boulevard saying that their God hates gays or that birth control pills are baby killers. They are true Christians, not the hateful sign-carriers.

That is the opinion I derived from Brooks’ letter, not a blanket criticism of all who prefer a private religious existence. Whatever a person’s choice of religious tenets – Christian, Judaism, Muslim, Buddhism, Atheism, etc., – it is a private choice (not a public arena). While we may, and do as humans disagree on many daily topics, (keep it friendly) religious tenets are a private matter and the ugliness of publicly promoting prejudice is in no way taught by any true religious doctrine.

Cliff Benson

Fairfield

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • First Amendment BelieverMarch 14, 2014 - 6:52 am

    You are right, Cliff. CD doesn't deliver a "blanket criticism of all", he directs his attacks to Christians, only. He is afraid to attack, maybe even supports, that other monolithic "religion of peace" and refuses to even say the name of its prophet. Christians are an easy target.

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  • Rick WoodMarch 15, 2014 - 3:43 am

    Christians are an easy target, true. Especially Protestant Christians. That's the flip side of the Framers being primarily descended from Protestants who came to America for religious freedom. The Framers set up a secular nation where everyone would respect secular law while being free to practice their own religion within only that constraint. That means no retaliation for slights, and no religious wars like those that killed millions in Europe.

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  • JoshMarch 15, 2014 - 12:17 am

    People like CD Brooks are not interested in being fair, and your response is much more than Brooks deserves. Brooks is a bully.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 15, 2014 - 6:47 am

    First Amendment Believer (the over-burdened alias-master FDC) and Josh bring the same defense...nothing. FDC loves to say I only “attack Christians,” and not other religious folks. Okay Sir, again one more time, I don’ care what your faith is or which religion you practice NONE of them are allowed to go out and deliberately destroy lives! If being a bully is trying to right the egregious wrongs religion attempts to force upon citizens of this country, so be it. The fact they are getting support from our own GOP is immoral and illegal. My animosity is based on archaic and ridiculous, hypocritical acts and beliefs that somehow make it okay for you to abuse and deny freedoms. Your “free will” is not a license to attack others not of your faith or condemning them for how or where they were born. Any more than it is for atheists to use theirs and deny you service in their establishment because you go to church. If you believe what they tried do in AZ and KS and several other states is good, then you are part of the problem in this country and your faith is killing people. Let’s be clear one last time because you seem to forget this part when I say it…you may worship as you please as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone. I am not the enemy, but your church may very well be.

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  • rlw895March 15, 2014 - 7:34 am

    Another way to say it is "religious freedom" means you have the right to believe whatever you want. It doesn't mean you can DO whatever you want.

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  • Teach5thMarch 15, 2014 - 10:35 am

    CD - you wrote yesterday that I say putrid things and then disappear like a thief in the night. RLW stated that if I am truly a teacher and a mother I'm in need of " in servicing". H-m-m - this is all because (I assume) I wrote that Obama is eliminating many parts of Obamacare with just a stroke of a pen. he has also promised to veto a bill requiring him to execute the laws of the country (guess that's why it's called the Executive Branch. but let's not go there.). As Eric Holder basically said to governors a few weeks ago -you don't have to follow laws in which you don't believe. Neither of you can stand when someone points out the things your "religion" (big government) and god (Obama) do daily to hurt people. Obamacare will cost many their jobs and health care (not insurance, because they're not necessarily one and the same). Obama was one of the biggest proponents of late-term abortions in the Senate, but then again that's not hurting anyone (except a defenseless baby). Drone attacks on innocent civilians aren't hurting anyone (except innocent civilians in foreign countries). And then let's not forget Fast and Furious (a gun running scheme which only killed one of our guys - Brian Terry). I don't agree with those religious nuts who protest at soldiers' funerals. But standing outside an abortion clinic pointing out that what a woman seeking an abortion is about to do is to kill a defenseless human being is not only the right of those people to do that, but it's a moral right. Maybe Hitler wouldn't have been able to kill millions of people if people had protested more vigorously. Now, like "a thief in the night", I'm going to go out and enjoy this beautiful God-given day with my kids.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 15, 2014 - 9:05 pm

    @Teach: You should turn that rant into a Tea Party Christmas card! Or better yet, publish your real name.

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  • Teach5thMarch 15, 2014 - 10:21 pm

    Why, Danny? Have you ever asked rlw895 his name?

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 16, 2014 - 12:07 am

    @Teach: Yes I have, kinda. If you believe what you write, why hide behind an alias? Are you worried about blow back?

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  • ArtimusMarch 15, 2014 - 11:58 pm

    It doesn’t hurt anyone (how about the (countless murders of baby killers). I am not the enemy, but your church may very well be, how to you qualify it,,,, ( You are on wrong side). C.D. Brook.

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  • JoshMarch 15, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    You're not stopping anything egregious Brooks, whoever you are. I've never had a problem with you directly, but I've read enough of your comments to know that you bully people. If the tone of your comments is an indication of how you think the world should be, count me out, whether it's a serious topic or not.

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 16, 2014 - 12:12 am

    CD Brooks is a bully? What are we in the 5th grade. The people who want to marginalize other peoples rights, have the nerve to call someone a bully, when CD calls them on their bull-spit.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 6:32 am

    Josh et al, like I said I'll take the bully title if it means righting the wrongs folks like you support. There is no valid argument in support of prejudice and discrimination, none. Stop using me as the scapegoat. Look inward learn and understand what this is really about.

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  • mescMarch 15, 2014 - 7:29 am

    ""hateful sign-carriers"" Wow. Childish name calling because someone carries a sign? Really? That's all ya got? Oh but your family are perfect Christians. Anyone who believes they are perfect are not Christians. To each their own on beliefs, but stop attacking mine. Thank GOD the framers of America and our Constitution allowed Freedom of Speech. It protects us from people such as yourself who seek to harm those of us who peacefully practice our beliefs.

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  • Mr. PracticalMarch 15, 2014 - 7:50 am

    mesc, he didn't say his family thinks they are perfect. You put those words in his mouth. You're also wrong about freedom of speech. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with public debate unless the government is censoring.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 15, 2014 - 8:08 am

    mesc, if you "peacefully practice," that is wonderful and as it should be. And there is no harm intended against you for doing just that. However, this argument goes to those that do not. Mr. Benson stated what should be an obvious fact: "the ugliness of publicly promoting prejudice is in no way taught by any true religious doctrine." No argument nothing personal, just an honest representation of a truth.

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  • Cliff BensonMarch 15, 2014 - 8:54 am

    Such relunctance to accept criticism within the extremes of organized religions Come down off your cross, guys. Even the Pope of Catholicism is finally changing some of what has been accepted as prejudice in his church for centuries. Times and values change...human mistakes , whether in the name of organizecd religion or public politics are always being faced and corrected.

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  • Rick WoodMarch 15, 2014 - 9:01 am

    Only in a country that enjoys such religious freedom could people go off in such bizarre directions. You have to take the bad with the good. I'd rather live in a country of oddballs than one dominated by a state religion and vigilante enforcers like we see in places like Afghanistan.

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  • Salty DogMarch 15, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    CD: Looks like more and more people are seeing you for who you really are

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  • The SugarJarMarch 16, 2014 - 12:00 am

    Dear Salty Dog, It is apparent who Mr. Brooks really is. Someone passionately speaking up for the underdog. And in my view of the world, that's what good people do.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 8:11 am

    Salty Dog, turn in that homework? Talk to your teacher about what it means to actually know someone. You might be surprised to learn that I'm not the bad guy! ;)

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