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Letter writer’s logic escapes me

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Harry Short’s latest attempt to engage Bible believers (“Flaws in letter about history,” March 9) comes in an attack on the inaccurate calendar used in the past concerning the birth date of Jesus Christ.

Calendars, however, are not inspired by God and do not have any relevance to the fact that Jesus was born. Our calendar has been changed several times and by various people such as Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus and Pope Gregory. In America, the calendar was last changed in 1752, when Sept. 3 was followed by Sept. 14. Eleven days were dropped.

Somehow the question of the exact date of Christ’s birth and Mr. Short’s discovery that we have “. . . come to realize through the recent abundance of space exploration, there is really no such thing as a God . . .,” leads him to want to change our currency. Therefore he concludes that, “In God We Trust” should be changed to “In Science We Trust.”

I must admit the logical flow of thought to Mr. Short’s conclusion escapes me.

The most important element of Christ’s ministry is not when he was born, but rather that he died for our sin, rose from the dead on the third day and sits in the presence of God the father forever more. Second, in spite of all that we have learned in space exploration, we have more questions now than before we began exploring. To say that there is no God based on the little that we know about outer space, is like taking a cup of water from off the dock in Suisun City and declaring there are no whales. Third, if you plan to question the faith of others, please tighten your logic. There appears to be a few bolts loose from Mr. Short’s general premise to his conclusion.

The Rev. Art Zacher

Berean Baptist Church

Fairfield

Letter to the Editor

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  • MattMarch 16, 2014 - 5:07 am

    Yes, he has the few bolts loose. Not the person who believes a woman was made from a rib and took advice from a talking snake.

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  • patrickMarch 16, 2014 - 1:24 pm

    THIS LOOKS LIKE A PRIVATE FIGHT. WILL STAY OUT OF IT. NO ONE WILL WIN

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Patrick, it would be best for you to remain on the sidelines because it is over. I clearly presented the best case there is no legal or moral argument.

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  • The MisterMarch 16, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    That's right, Patrick... put a fork in 'em, Seedy is done!

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    The Mister, really? How so? You've brought nothing of value to these arguments, you have zero. Looks to me like it is you and yours that are done. You should hook up with teach5th. Good evening.

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  • MattMarch 16, 2014 - 5:16 am

    Daily Republic is also trolling here. I love the title they gave this letter.

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  • PornacMarch 16, 2014 - 7:24 am

    Cults given press space.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 7:37 am

    Pastor Zacker, rather than wasting time and space on this nonsense, I wish you would have spoken out against the travesty of prejudice in the name of your god. Oh yeah, guess that would have been a conflict of interest? Pathetic.

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  • DanielMarch 16, 2014 - 8:42 am

    CD do you care to defend the atrocities commited by your side, secular atheists? Stalin, Mao, Pot Pol and Hitler murdered more humans than all the religious wars combined, defend those recent events and I'll explain again what the thousand year old Crusades and Inquisition were about.

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  • The MisterMarch 16, 2014 - 9:01 am

    And don't forget the "science" of eugenics, the "science" of phrenology, the "science" of sexology pioneered by Alfred Kinsey to promote pedophilia, the "science" of bloodletting to rid the body of bad humors", and on and on and on.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 9:19 am

    Daniel, I am defending American citizens civil and human rights as recognized by law. I never said I condone any atrocities. Stop being ridiculous and man-up to your willingness to hate under the guise of religion. You people make me angry that there is no hell.

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 9:38 am

    CD - we get it already! You don't believe in God. As I wrote recently, your god (Obama) and your religion (big government) are doing far more harm to people than organized religion is doing. Other than that little group of haters who protest at soldiers' funerals, what are you talking about specifically as far as Christianity harming folks? Please enlighten me.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 10:18 am

    Teach5th, are you for real? I've wasted enough time exposing the hypocrisy, stupidity and hate here. If you don't get it by now, your grasp of reality beyond any intelligent reasoning. Good grief.

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 10:26 am

    Cd- good job explaining . . . You've got nothing specific. That's your problem. You call Christians haters and say they do harm, yet asked for specificity, you have nothing. So, who's the real hater?

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 10:36 am

    teach5th, either you're a complete imbecile or you're attempting the most bizarre deflection ever! I have written hundreds if not thousands of words on this subject in this publication over the past weeks. I have warned about those events happening for years here and you want ME to spell it out?! I'm going to research your alleged credentials, you have no business teaching.

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 10:49 am

    Yep - name calling and threats. Nothing more. I don't have the luxury of reading your rants on a daily/weekly basis. I ask for specifics and you deflect by saying you've already written and warned about them. Maybe you're not writing them because they're not worth repeating.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 10:54 am

    Teach5th, wow...you are a lot of things but teacher isn't one of them.

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  • The MisterMarch 16, 2014 - 11:18 am

    Oh Seedy, you are starting to sound more like a lying politician with an agenda with every post. Come on Seedy... reality has got room for one more.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    C'mon The Mister, you know I'm not lying and you have zero information to disprove me. You have referenced emails that have been circulating with added variations since 2009 and have been shown repeatedly to be false. My agenda is getting the truth out to those of you going the wrong direction. But alas, I have failed.

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  • The MisterMarch 16, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    Not sure what you're talking about, yet again, Seedy. This is what I said, "And don't forget the "science" of eugenics, the "science" of phrenology, the "science" of sexology pioneered by Alfred Kinsey to promote pedophilia, the "science" of bloodletting to rid the body of bad humors", and on and on and on." These are all sciences that have harmed or killed people that today scientists view as hokum. Some are exceedingly dangerous, such as eugenics, as this science was responsible for learned governments to commit democide with hundreds of millions of victims in the last century. The science of global warming stands to back a global tax to the UN enforceable by UN troops on US soil. Tell me you think this science will be a help to humanity as its tyranny plays out.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 12:32 pm

    The Mister, I never spoke to those issues, and frankly have no idea what they are. Like I said...again, I do not condone any atrocities. I wrote specifically about the ones going on in other states.

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 11:34 am

    Good job, CD - once again - deflect, deflect, deflect! (Oh, and threaten):)

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  • Danny BuntinMarch 16, 2014 - 11:54 am

    @Teach: Bologna! You are projecting a false reality, then asking CD to comment on this false reality. When he doesn't, you claim he is deflecting. Great method of putting words in someones mouth. Obama is a Christian, so I guess we can chalk you up as a Christian hater? See how that works.

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Teach5th, okay let’s see where you go with this…On March 15th (that would be yesterday) at 10:35 AM you responded to my “putrid things” comment and addressed zero of what I wrote about JUST ABOVE your comments. You completely ignored the basis of my comments where I specifically addressed the flagrant attempts in AZ and KS to legislate legal discrimination. So are you a li*r or ign*rant? Or would you just prefer not to show your prejudicial side by agreeing with those and other states position on the matter? If you’re going to challenge me you’d better be right. I’m always prepared! Deflect that!

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 6:26 pm

    CD - I don't make copies of these dialogues. Consequently, I don't remember what you wrote (except the putrid comments and sneaking away like a thief in the night. Therefore, I can't address your concerns about AZ or KS. I can only say that, while humans have used religion in the past to punish those who don't think like they do, it's not only religious folks that do that. Look, for example, at your post to me earlier that because I don't believe in your god (Obama) or your religion (big government) you threatened to "research my alleged credentials" since, according to you I " had no business teaching. Weren't you threatening my livelihood just as those in Az are feeling about the government threatening theirs?

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  • CD BrooksMarch 16, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    Teach5th, you are truly a complete...I'm too much a gentleman to continue. I don't threaten people. There is no good reason to converse with you further on this matter. Good evening.

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  • Teach5thMarch 16, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    CD - you are delusional! I didn't threaten to look up your credentials! You said that to me. Good night!

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  • The SugarJarMarch 16, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    @Teach5th, I believe that the credential blurb was an insult, not a threat. It would be a threat if you didn't have credentials and would thereby be exposed. Mr. Brooks wording was insulting, not threatening. Even it it were a threat, it was an empty one, as he really can't look up the credentials to "Teach5th" unless that is actually your name. It would be more accurate to complain that he was insulting you.

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