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Is the president really protecting the people?

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From page A7 | April 03, 2014 |

No taxation without representation. That was the cry that helped end the rule of King George III in America. It became a principle of our democratic government.

President Barack Obama, a professor of constitutional law, had the Democratic Senate pass his Affordable Care Act – perhaps this nation’s largest tax bill – without any Republican representation, thus denying Republican senators and thousands of voters any says in this bill.

When Republicans tried to stop voter fraud, the Democrats held that the right to vote was so dear that no one should be denied the right to vote because of lack of identification. It was their fear that some people because of lack of nobility, infirmity or poverty might be denied identification and that this is a greater threat than voter fraud.

Is this the way a president schooled in constitutional law protects Americans’ right to vote?

Lawrence Sandberg

Fairfield

Letter to the Editor

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  • The MisterApril 03, 2014 - 6:50 am

    Larry, the Constitution is nothing more than a tool used by "them" against you. Always has been. It was designed that way. It structures the program of political theater where you believe you are the director when, in reality, you play a most insignificant part.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 10:22 am

    Where do you get this stuff?

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  • Jason KnowlesApril 03, 2014 - 8:43 am

    Uh, Larry, Sweety, there were 39 Republican Senators in 2010 when the ACA was passed and it was upheld by the Supreme Court. Also, you might want to look up the statistics on "voter fraud. Betwixt 2000 - 2010, of the over 600 million popular votes that were cast, there have been a whopping 13 cases of voter impersonation. Statistically, that amounts to 0.0000021666666666666665% of votes that were fraudulent. Have any elections been swayed by voter fraud? No. Note one. Find an actual problem on which to focus your righteous anger, sir.

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  • Salty DogApril 03, 2014 - 9:27 am

    Jason you seen to be the man with all the statistics. how many of the popular votes that were cast were verified with those casting the votes showing proper identification to prove they were who the said they were. Wait you can't make people show proper identification to prove who they are.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 10:23 am

    Even if that means disenfranchising millions of voters?

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  • You people NEED TO WAKE UPApril 03, 2014 - 10:38 am

    So these supposedly legal voters are smart enough to vote, but not smart enough to make the effort to get proper Identification? WAKE UP DEMOCRATS OBAMA WILL NOT SAVE YOU....HE IS ALSO A PUPPET OF THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL, just like Romney and McCain and John Kerry and Al Gore and Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Bushs and Johnson and Nixon and most all the Presidents, Senators, Governors, US House etc etc.... That is the problem with most all of you, you are only trained to check the D for Democrat option or the R for Republican option.

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  • Everybody look at The Drudge Report today also InfowarsApril 03, 2014 - 10:53 am

    Thank you.... How can you WAKE UP, if no one tells you the TRUTH look for the Truth. READ REVELATION IN THE BIBLE

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 1:42 pm

    YPNTWU: Being smart or not has nothing to do with being able to make the effort to get the necessary ID. Voter ID laws can be, and usually are, crafted to make it more difficult for Democrats to vote. If the justification is trumped up, the real fraud is the law itself.

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  • Salty DogApril 03, 2014 - 12:20 pm

    rlw895: Please explain to every one how you are disenfranchising millions of voters by requiring a person that is voting to show an identification to prove you are who you say you your. You have to have an id to buy beer and wine to prove you are old enough to drink you have to show an id when you use a credit card, Your drivers license has your photo on it to prove who you are when you drive. So by requiring all of that are we disenfranchising all of those people? THE ANSWER IS NO, IT IS A WAY OF PROVING WHO YOU ARE SO WE DO NOT HAVE VOTER FRAUD. But i guess a liberal like your self refuses to under stand that because you just want the government to take care of you just like they do in any communists country around the world.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 1:53 pm

    SD: You are disenfranchising people to the extend you make getting the proper ID difficult. Show me a law where the state issues the necessary ID free of charge and delivers it to the voter's residence, and I'll show you a voter ID law that is no problem. But these voter fraud laws go way beyond requiring voter ID. There are many, many, subtle ways to ensure Republican votes are more likely to be cast and counted than Democratic votes, and the Republicans are using every trick one place or another. Questioning a person's right to vote at the polling place, forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot, is a good one. Provisional ballots are less likely to be counted. Having voting machines that screen and reject ballots that have an error, permitting the ballot to be voided and recast on the spot is another way. If the rich (Republican) precincts have such machines while the poor (Democratic) precincts do not, the number of rejected voters in the Republican precincts will be zero, while it would be significantly more than zero in the Democratic precincts. The list of methods goes on. Look it up if you want to know what's happening, but I doubt if you do.

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  • Mr. SmithApril 03, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    Hey, rlw: Why not include a personally delivered ballot to each of these poor "disenfranchised" souls at election time, along with the free state ID card? And once the "voter" figures out which end of the paper is the top, and which end is the bottom (coaching is allowed), they can vote for the candidate of their choice. After that, the personal "voter navigator" can deliver the ballot back to the precinct.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    Mr.S: That is already done with vote-by-mail, setting aside the snide remarks, is it not? Naturally, Republicans also oppose vote-by-mail because they think it tends to help Democrats, though I think that's questionable. In any event, vote-by-mail is the place I would look at for fraud, not at the polling place, where voter ID is the big deal it shouldn't be. What voter ID is done in vote-by-mail? It's a problem. But many people ONLY vote by mail these days. I'm one of them. Our protection against fraud is ultimately the difficulty in getting enough fraudulent votes together to make a difference in an election while not getting caught. The penalties are, and should be, severe and act as a deterrent.

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  • Mr. SmithApril 03, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Rlw: I would argue that snide remarks are, at times, the "coin of the realm" here on the DR comment board. Let "he that is without 'sin' cast the first stone." Besides--it can be fun.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Mr.S: What, not response other than that?

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  • Mr. SmithApril 03, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    No other response is needed, rlw. Just read the posts on this thread so far. Patronizing, condescending, and phony altruism for the "little people" have defined the liberal mantra and sleazy playbook for decades. Some of us are not buying it.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 10:15 pm

    Mr.S: But there's none of that in what I wrote.

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  • Salty DogApril 03, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    RLW895: So how difficult is it to go down to the dmv and get an id card it is a lot easier then getting a drivers license because you do not have to take a test. Most people already have a drivers license. so what is the problem with showing an id to vote.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 5:31 pm

    It isn't a problem for me or you, and it might not be for many people. But it would be for some. And you have to look at these voter ID laws to see what they require. Again, have the state pay all the cost and eliminate the inconvenience, and you'd have no objection from me. And if it's so important to the state, why not?

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  • Salty DogApril 03, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    rlw895: It looks like your true colors have come out you want the government to do and provide every thing for you.so you don't have to do any thing. You must like to live that way so you won't have to thing for your self and let the government control every aspect of your life i will bet you would love to live under communism that way you would not have to vote.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 10:09 pm

    SD: You're not a very good reader if you got that from what I wrote. Mr.S can vouch for me.

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  • Jason KnowlesApril 03, 2014 - 12:06 pm

    The law requires you to show proof when you register, does it not?

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  • FDCApril 03, 2014 - 12:52 pm

    Jason, Jason, again you try to play with the adults and instead reveal your own inability to read and comprehend factual news. The North Carolina (that's one of our 50 or one of Obama's 57 states) State Board of Elections just reported that in the 2012 election, almost 36,000 voters voted in North Carolina and one other state. 81 DEAD people voted. Hundreds voted twice in North Carolina. Voter fraud is rampant and growing worse. No rational human can deny with a straight face that voter fraud is taking place. No rational human can say with a straight face that requiring a prospective voter to prove they are who they say they are is denying anyone the right to vote. Just plain nonsense and anyone with half a brain knows it. There is no point in arguing with you or any other of the Democrat hacks who are terrified at the thought of an honest election.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Did the North Caroline Board of Elections actually claim it was voter fraud, or is that your leap?

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  • FDCApril 03, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    rlw895, I just can't believe that you even asked that question. Are you really that dense? Silly you.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Nope, I asked the question because I already know the answer, which is "no." Go do your research. The investigation is only beginning. The way these sensational claims from the Right usually turn out is way less than what first appears. You're not dense, but your not a critical thinker either. Your a partisan.

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  • Jason KnowlesApril 03, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    If these allegations are true, fix the problem. Nothing as of yet has been proven, Franklin. Was it actual "fraud" or was it possibly a mistake by poll workers? Has the investigation been completed, Franklin? Has it even begun? No. But, as usual, you read something on a news feed and react to it emotionally. Once the investigation is complete, talk to me then.

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  • Rich GiddensApril 03, 2014 - 8:53 am

    Obamacare is neither care nor affordable---it seeks to reward welfare loafers and punish producers in a bureaucratic Orwellian nightmare system that's upside down morally, economically and socially. It doesn't work and is not even fully implemented now.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    Yeah,,,If we didn't "reward" those "unproductive" people with health care, more of them would die, and that would be a good thing, right?

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  • Mr. PracticalApril 03, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    rlw, that's not what he meant and I believe you know that.

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  • FDCApril 03, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Mr. P, rlw895 doesn't think that 81 dead people voting constitutes voter fraud so I doubt that he understands much of what anyone else says.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    FDC: Au contraire, 81 dead people voting would certainly be impossible unless voter fraud. But let's do this; let's bookmark this conversation and come back to it when the North Carolina investigation is completed. By then it will be off the news pages and no one will be paying attention except. I'll wager it was not 81 cases of voter fraud. Maybe a few? And a few more that are uncertain? That's where I would put my money.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    *...except us.

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  • rlw895April 03, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Perhaps he should explain then.

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  • The Cloward Piven Strategy and The End of AmericaApril 03, 2014 - 8:06 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5xJZEY3oz0

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  • ROMNEY was at BILDERBERG Global Mafia Confab Chantilly( so were Hillary and Mr. Obama )April 03, 2014 - 8:10 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5yAXF6aX0

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  • Ron Paul Heroically Stands Up to Chris MatthewsApril 03, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpchEdtS0e4

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  • Ron Paul: The Real Solutions Aren't Even Discussed!April 03, 2014 - 8:40 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8GWTljMw_M

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  • http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.htmlApril 03, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    Interesting Google Searches.... Who are the rich or Who are the 1% ... It is important to define the terms... to separate the .01% of the multi billionaires and Hedge Fund Managers that milk us all with "paper asset wealth transfers" like trading in Derivatives and Bonds, but that actually do no real work in the economy in the form of running actual businesses and producing actual products in this country the United States ( not overseas)/Corporations that shelter their wealth and Super Wealthy Business Owners who at least contribute to the job creation, Wealthy Upper Middle class Business owners and Doctors/Professionals and then just mid/upper middle class people who have in general just been prudent and worked hard for it and the plain old middle class..... You can not tax the true middle class and expect your economy to not collapse....Creating a large poor dependent class of perpetual "victims of society" will also sink the economy...people at the end of the Republic, there truly is no such thing as a free lunch, somebody pays. We need to get rid of the Federal Reserve and have our own Treasury NOT THE PRIVATLY OWNED AND CONTROLLED FEDERAL RESERVE create and control our money supply... Note in the Cloward Piven video were it says "makes the Treasury Borrow Money" We borrow the money from the Federal Reserve or The Federal Reserve selling Bonds to the Chinese...If THE TREASURY IT'S SELF CREATES THE MONEY....THIS IS IMPORTANT...THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO BORROW FRON NOBODY....only problem will be paying for oil imports.

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  • Meant ITS ( just seeing if you are paying attention )April 03, 2014 - 8:58 pm

    WAKE UP WAKE UP LOOK FOR THE TRUTH... the Democrats and Republicans both lie to us.

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  • JagApril 03, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    Look as long as the Dems offer free Obama cell phones fee Obama care for the poor and food stamps then the TEA party message (work hard and earn what you get) does not stand a chance I wish more people would want to work for what they get but the free ride group is just growing

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