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Is history repeating itself?

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From page A7 | February 27, 2014 |

Murray Bass wrote a column Feb. 1 (“Sad truth: America has lost its faith”) on things happening throughout our government, including the elimination of faith and patriotism from our schools and services and compromising our faith for political correctness, such as all the values we and our children were brought up to live and practice.

Next, we won’t be allowed to preach from the pulpit or have group discussions condoning or disclaiming government, state, city or church programs.

Gradually we are losing control of our children’s education and the things they see or believe. Slowly, new laws and ideas are slipping into meetings, offices, TV, radio and media.

Let’s start reading and re-reading people like Murray does and do something.

Remember that the prophets also begged the people to listen and they didn’t.

Is history just repeating itself?

Virginia Bolton

Fairfield

Letter to the Editor

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  • PornacFebruary 27, 2014 - 5:19 am

    I totally agree. New ideas will destroy our society. Conservatism must persevere for this nation to live on. God was not a liberal!

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  • AnonymousFebruary 27, 2014 - 12:52 pm

    This comment is hilarious. "New ideas will destroy society..." said the person commenting via an electronic device on a forum that almost anyone in the world can see.

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  • Jason KnowlesFebruary 27, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    Anonymous, you might be new here. Pornac uses sarcasm in all of his comments. It is his M.O.

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  • CD BrooksFebruary 27, 2014 - 6:52 am

    Yes Virginia, there are laws in America you Murray and everyone else are bound by. It's called the Constitution and without it we get crap like they tried to pull in Arizona and other religious-run states across the country. Worship and preach all you like so long as it doesn't hurt anyone or trample all over their rights. I prophesized this extreme culture bashing and nobody listened to me either. As a woman you should be especially forewarned.

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  • Rudolph MadronichFebruary 27, 2014 - 9:00 am

    CD their you go you standing up for some peoples rights of but not for others. Your continued attack on the rights of christians is upseting. The bible clearly states that it is a sin for a man to marry another man or a women to marry another woman. (Romans 1:26-27) For this reasion God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for whar is against nature. Likewise also the man, leaving the natural use of women, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penatty of their error which was due. I can see why you feel the way you do being the atheist you have stated you are in past comments. But what about the rights of christans and their belives. You want christians to accept what others belive but you do not want to accept christians belives. So what does that make you.

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  • CD BrooksFebruary 27, 2014 - 9:25 am

    Mr. Madronich, you are welcome to worship as you please, nobody can deny you that. But when your worship practices become detrimental to the rights and safety of others, you go outside the boundaries of the law. The law trumps your religious rules and thankfully we have that working for ALL of us. I for one do not care for or recognize your so-called "rights" under any religious rule.

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  • Jason KnowlesFebruary 27, 2014 - 9:26 am

    Nobody gives two sh*ts about what you and your fellow bigots, sorry, "Christians" believe. Your rights to your beliefs continue unabated, as it should be. But that is never enough for you people, Rudy. You will not be happy until you establish a theocracy in this country. You are part of the American Taliban.

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  • FDCFebruary 27, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Nice talk, Jason. Some questions for you: Are all Christians bigots? Do all people of faith "wish to establish a theocracy in this country"? Do you stand with your position that all people of faith are "the American Taliban"?

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  • Jason KnowlesFebruary 27, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    No, Franklin, they are not. The overwhelming majority (that I know anyway) are simply Christian in terms of their beliefs and their actions based upon how they treat others. They follows Christ's example as best they can. I respect that. Do all people of faith wish to establish a theocracy? I don't know. I was addressing the letter writer, Madronich, and others who think like them. Not all Christians agree with this idea that being g@y is some sort of moral transgression. Only the bigoted ones like Madronich, Bolton, etc. do. Now perhaps they are the "real" Christians and the tolerant ones are the posers. Got any more red herrings for me to answer?

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  • FDCFebruary 27, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    Jason, I see that you do not understand the term "red herring." I simply asked you to qualify the statements you used, using the exact words you used. You failed to talk at all about the "American Taliban" term you seemed to apply to all people of faith. Lastly, are you proud of the scatological reference you were able to sneak by the moderator software? Or is coprophagia a hobby of yours?

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  • Puddin TaneFebruary 27, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    FDC, the American Taliban description is used to compare Christian fundamentalists to Muslim fundamentalists, this does not account for the majority of either religion. Believe it or not, most Christians are ok with marriage equality because they realize that another couple's happiness has NO effect on their own marriage or faith. The fundamentalists are generally a fearful bunch, and react in such a manner against anything that goes against their dogma. If your faith is threatened by someone else's happiness and well being, you're not really that faithful to begin with.

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  • FDCFebruary 27, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Puddin Tane: you have taken the discussion completely away from what is going on. Jason has tried to throw fuel on the fire by blasting away with a calumnious attack on all people of faith. His adolescent bombast contributes nothing to the discussion and inflames emotions without producing any reasonable results. Perhaps if all involved could ramp down the rhetoric we might be able to have constructive debates. I am reminded of a saying a boss of mine years ago said: "If you treat a guy like an SOB he will act like an SOB." Maybe we should all try to learn from that.

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  • ArtimusFebruary 27, 2014 - 11:47 pm

    What happens if you use the American Taliban versus the Muslim Taliban, you head will be cut-off, the end of it.

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  • Puddin TaneFebruary 27, 2014 - 9:39 am

    Gee, Rudy, do you also keep your beard at a fist's length, and abstain from shellfish and pork? If not, it seems like you're selectively using the mysticism of ancient shepherds to justify an oppressive and narrow worldview, all because you feel threatened by individuals who don't act and think the way that you do. I gotta say, Jason has a point: there is little difference between your brand of "Christian" fundamentalism (it's in quotes because there is nothing Christian about your bigotry) and the fundamentalism of the Taliban.

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  • AnonymousFebruary 27, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    He doesn't have to accept what you believe. It is called his First Amendment Rights. Your rights end where the rights of another begin. As a Christian you should understand freedom of choice. You believe that God gives it to you. So why do you put yourself above your God and try to dictate the decisions of others? You are forgetting what this country is about. It isn't about Christians using their freedom of religion to bully people into living a Christian life. It is about the rights of Christians and others as individuals to make personal choices for themselves, and let others do the same. IF you don't like that, you should move to a Theocracy like somewhere in the middle east.

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  • JBFebruary 27, 2014 - 11:03 am

    The president is not aware of the constitution, he is doing what he feels is right for him and his followers. He does not have rules, forcing people to sign up for healthcare. Where is that documented?

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  • Jason KnowlesFebruary 27, 2014 - 12:29 pm

    JB, the Supreme Court, whose job is to interpret the Constitution, said the ACA was Constitutional. I'm waiting to see how the NSA wire-tapping plays out as far as the SC goes.

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  • AnonymousFebruary 27, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    "on things happening throughout our government, including the elimination of faith and patriotism from our schools and services and compromising our faith for political correctness,"... "Next, we won’t be allowed to preach from the pulpit or have group discussions condoning or disclaiming government, state, city or church programs." Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. In the same article you are afraid of losing your First Amendment Rights, while complaining that you can no longer infringe upon the First Amendment Rights of others. You want your right to assemble and practice your religion (which you have), but you also want the right to force it upon others through public schools. Basically, you want protection from people like yourself who seek to control others. This is NOT a Christian nation. Our forefathers for the most part weren't Christian. They were deists who feared what a Theocracy is. Ever heard of the Taliban?

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  • rlw895February 27, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    Our forefathers were mostly protestant Christians, but when it came time to write the Constitution, they were careful to give us a secular government. They had no interest in a government that would take sides in any religious conflict such as those that had scourged Europe for hundreds of years.

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  • CD BrooksFebruary 27, 2014 - 6:28 pm

    No worries my fellow Democrats! I just read an article speaking to the Tea Party's intentions to "help" the GOP push "harder to the right" so they can capture the White House in 2016! The absolute madness surrounding this group is amazing. What a gift for our side! :) Thank you Tea Party Patriots!

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  • Murray BassFebruary 28, 2014 - 6:33 pm

    Thanks Virginia

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