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From page A8 | September 08, 2013 |

Recently, I picked up my paper and started reading it, and came across an article that makes me wonder where the heck our rights have gone; it looks like big brother has arrived full force. As an American, I was appalled to read that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would perform a marriage between two men (Aug. 31 “Justice Ginsburg to officiate at same-sex wedding”).

This country was started on Christian principles and seeing one of the Supreme Court justices marry two men makes me believe that no matter what we vote for, our rights as Christians are being violated, let alone as American citizens. It would seem that some people in high places think that they have the right to dictate and go against the majority vote of American citizens, regardless of what the people want.

When I find a Supreme Court justice is going to perform something that is a sacred vow between man and woman, it makes me wonder just how many in Washington, D.C., are card-carrying government officials (the red card, that is).

God created Adam and Eve, not Bill and Steve. It was the governments of Greece, and Rome that thought that it was fine to be gay; not God. Even though we all have friends that feel being gay is all right, it’s just plain wrong to have it shoved at our kids in school and now a government official of the highest court of the land is pushing it at all of us.

Lloyd Willmschen

Fairfield

Letter to the Editor

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  • CD BrooksSeptember 08, 2013 - 3:44 am

    Mr. Willmschen does not visit here so unless you respond with a letter to the editor, his archaic ill-informed nonsense will not be heard.

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  • rlw895September 08, 2013 - 4:25 am

    Not heard by him, but by anyone who does visit here. The letter is rich with silly stuff, if anyone cares to defend the content...

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  • DanielSeptember 08, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Lloyd you're going to attract all the "open-minded liberal" anti-religious bigot hate crowd (except they give a pass to the religion of Islam). May the attacks begin.

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  • Danny BuntinSeptember 08, 2013 - 9:18 am

    @Daniel: Islam is not being shoved down our throats on a daily basis. If it was, you would get the same response from us liberals. It is simple Daniel, keep your fairy-tales out of government - and no problems exists.

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  • PornacSeptember 08, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    @Daniel. See below for bigoted liberal hate. It's horrible stuff. Probably not healthy for us religious folks.

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  • rlw895September 08, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    OK, D: As you are willing to defend this letter, how are Christian rights violated by Justice Ginsberg marrying a same-sex couple? Or by same-sex couples getting married in general? Everyone wants to say their rights are more important that someone else's. We let courts decide, and they explain their reasoning. If you want to disagree, read the reasoning and tell us how it's flawed.

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  • The MisterSeptember 08, 2013 - 8:37 am

    Our country was founded by mercantilists under charter of a monarch. Many of the people here were Christians of one stripe or another. The systems of Christianity here served the fledgling governments and, more importantly, the mercantilists well because of the supposed ethics professed from the pulpit on Sunday (hard work, thrift, honesty as the way to salvation) served the interest of the mercantilists. But Christian principles then, and certainly more so today, are all over the map and continue to subjugate themselves to the government. Case in point; why is it any matter of any level of government that one person marries another? Oh, because the government, at one time, didn't want inter-racial marriages, because a marriage is a civil contract, because the tax codes should favor or disfavor marriage? How about we just get government out of marriage (and every other aspect of our lives except as allowed for under natural law)? Now, if your issue is homosexuality, then you need to point your finger at the Christian pulpit and the people in your community... and likely yourself. People need to have the fortitude to call-out abnormal or destructive behavior and have the giving hearts to offer help. Other people need to exercise the courage of their convictions and stand up for what they believe is right. If you believe homosexuality is right or wrong, then say so and have thick enough skin to engage in a reasoned discussion. So often when the offended plays the "victim" card, it is not in response to an attack from without but from the inherent shame from within. Shame, like pain, is a personal indicator that change should be made. I am ashamed that we've allowed our government into the marriage business. Is anyone else ashamed too?

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  • The MisterSeptember 08, 2013 - 8:39 am

    Our country was founded by mercantilists under charter of a monarch. Many of the people here were Christians of one stripe or another. The systems of Christianity here served the fledgling governments and, more importantly, the mercantilists well because of the supposed ethics professed from the pulpit on Sunday (hard work, thrift, honesty as the way to salvation) served the interest of the mercantilists. But Christian principles then, and certainly more so today, are all over the map and continue to subjugate themselves to the government. Case in point; why is it any matter of any level of government that one person marries another? Oh, because the government, at one time, didn't want inter-racial marriages, because a marriage is a civil contract, because the tax codes should favor or disfavor marriage? How about we just get government out of marriage (and every other aspect of our lives except as allowed for under natural law)? Now, if your issue is hom*sexuality, then you need to point your finger at the Christian pulpit and the people in your community... and likely yourself. People need to have the fortitude to call-out abnormal or destructive behavior and have the giving hearts to offer help. Other people need to exercise the courage of their convictions and stand up for what they believe is right. If you believe hom*sexuality is right or wrong, then say so and have thick enough skin to engage in a reasoned discussion. So often when the offended plays the "victim" card, it is not in response to an attack from without but from the inherent shame from within. Shame, like pain, is a personal indicator that change should be made. I am ashamed that we've allowed our government into the marriage business. Is anyone else ashamed too?

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  • Danny BuntinSeptember 08, 2013 - 9:23 am

    @The Mister: I have never had a gay couple try to take away rights from me. Some christian fairytale followers attempt to do it all the time. Do you see the difference?

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  • rlw895September 08, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    TM: I would stay away from the idea that hom*sexuality is “right or wrong.” It’s not, any more than being left-handed is right or wrong. It just is the way a person is.

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  • Mr. PracticalSeptember 08, 2013 - 5:39 pm

    rlw, good analogy. I'm predominantly left-handed. In grade school, several teachers tried to break me of the "bad habit." Trying to write right-handed felt very unnatural. Fortunately, my parents were smart enough to tell me to ignore them.

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  • Jason KnowlesSeptember 08, 2013 - 9:35 am

    We're America founded on Christian principles, our attitude and actions toward the poor and "the least of these" would be markedly different than calling them "takers" and cutting SNAP funding. Jesus was very clear about social justice. Also, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, if Adam and Eve started civilization, then we are all the products of incest, which would partially explain Willmschen's intellectual prowess. What rights are being violated? Christians are free to practice THEIR religion in THEIR way and the government cannot impede that right. The exchange is that those of us who are secular do not have to have THEIR faith, or it's "principles" imposed upon as us via legislation. Christians like Willmschen's want " freedom for me, but not for thee."

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  • Jolly RancherSeptember 08, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    Lloyd can't even get his conservative h0mophobic saying right. It's "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". After years (over 2000 one could say) we finally are getting a break from the Religious Rights "my way or the highway (to hell). After all these years of having to endure the Religious Right cramming there rhetoric down our throats glad to see you feel the same way with g@y rights & freedoms. Taste sweet, doesn’t it.

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  • PornacSeptember 08, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    LLoyd thinks its just plain wrong to not impose his bible on everyone. "Just plain wrong".

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  • Mike & IkeSeptember 08, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    In the past we have been labeled the “Original Fruits”. But thanks to recent changes & advances in g@y rights we have been able to come out of the box to express our true love for each other in a way others have denied us in the past, Marriage…Despite rumors of a break up & divorce our love remains strong. We will save that sticky situation for a later date & time.

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  • Rich GiddensSeptember 08, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    There's a big fight about all of this brewing down at the US Air Force. Apparently, a lowly Sergeant Phillip Monk doesn't like his lesbian Commander's orders to prepare and help officiate gay wedding ceremonies at the base chapel so he's being brought up on politically correct Gestapo show trial charges. I believe he will fight viciously, turn down a cover up Article 15 admin action and demand trial. That is the morally and legally correct course of action to fight her and ''them''. I know the feeling. Sergeant Monk is already on Fox News and other new media outlets. He should start a website like General Sinclair has done and he should threaten to further expose the USAF Major Jill ''cops can just do what they want'' Metzger fraudulent kidnapping scandal that's cost so much. The story has legs like the court martialing of the Navy SEALS for slapping a terrorist (something we paid them to do!).

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  • Rich GiddensSeptember 08, 2013 - 8:22 pm

    So when is the gay Muslim leader Obama going to tell his terrorist middle eastern pals to stop ''clinging to their guns and religion??"

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