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After all the lies, how can we trust Obama?

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“If you like your doctor you will be able to your doctor, period.”

“The ACA will Lower health care premiums by $2,500.”

“If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance.”

“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touch stones of this administration.”

“No family making less than $250,000 will see any form of tax increase.”

“I’m pledging to cut the deficit by half by the end of my first term in office.”

“The NSA is not abusing it’s power.”

“I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line.”

“The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.”

And in Benghazi, during a seven-hour battle, three requests were made for backup. For two weeks, he told us the murders in Benghazi were in response to a video.

This is just a short list of President Obama’s lies. He is either purposely lying to you or he too incompetent to understand what is happening around him. I don’t understand how anyone can continue to give this man trust.

Even worse are people who excuse his lies because they agree with the president, that the ends justify the means. The media is in many ways complacent. You should remember this the next time he speaks. Is he looking you in the face and lying to you again?

Scott Clark

Vacaville

Letter to the Editor

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 2:39 am

    I'm glad you got that off your chest.

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  • Rhee MedboyDecember 27, 2013 - 6:52 am

    Wit 'till you see the new taxes and fees coming in 2014, thanks to Obamacare. It's enough to make you sick.....

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 7:26 am

    Got health insurance?

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  • DanielDecember 27, 2013 - 7:29 am

    He shoves in in our face flying around the country with those teleprompters and staged audiences with paid union workers and students receiving free concert tickets for attending cheering on command. It's nauseating, even if I was paid or received free concert tickets, I just wouldn't be able to do it, it's like trying to stomach trying to watch more than 10 minutes of the pettiness shown nightly on MSNBC, I try and just can't.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 7:39 am

    I won't get sick over that, but it will cause me to beat the drums louder for a more progressive tax system like we had before Reagan's income tax "simplification." A progressive tax system would stay away from regressive taxes and fees like the ones in the ACA, and would instead shift the tax burden to higher income brackets, the estate tax, taxes on unearned income (e.g., dividends, interest, capital gains, rents).

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  • Dave ShreeveDecember 27, 2013 - 9:46 am

    RLW 895, do you ever listen? As I pointed out before when you made the same ridiculous claim, after the Reagan tax cuts the top 1% paid more into individual income taxes than they did before. They now pay around 40% of all the taxes taken in on individual income taxes. When is enough enough for you libs?

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  • Danny BuntinDecember 27, 2013 - 1:03 pm

    Its still a great bargain. When you control 80 percent of the money and only pay 40 percent, thats called winning!!!!

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 1:09 pm

    Increasing marginal tax rates without reforming the tax code and making an effort to control fraud and waste is crazy. Until then, no more tax increases. We need to get rid of the inheritance tax and incrementally reduce long-term Capital Gains so that they are tax free at 70.5 years of age.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    Mr.P: It's not crazy if you want to finance the government without reducing the quality of life for the 99%. You must have some other objective. In that respect I think what YOU propose is crazy.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 1:27 pm

    It's that you don't understand that conceptually it can be done without negatively impacting the 99 percent. Just like having affordable healthcare for everyone could be accomplished without 18 new taxes and regulations that actual increase the cost of healthcare.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    Well then, help me understand, "conceptually." Then are there any real world examples?

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 1:41 pm

    We've gone over it numerous times in past.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    DB: 80% is a bit high, but you get the point. And under a progressive tax system the wrealt a country produces is SUPPOSED to disproportionately fund the government. So if the top 1% controls 80% of the income and wrealth, they should fund MORE than 80% of the government.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    rlw, how much more? If you had a flat tax that exempted say, the first $50,000 in household income, the wealthy would be paying more by percentage than what they control. Would that be acceptable?

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    A flat tax is just a way of exempting high income from higher marginal rates. When you look at a tax rate vs income graph, you don't conceptualize how far that graph would have to extend to the right to get any idea how the 1% compares to the average or how much LESS income tax the 1% would be paying. And I don't even like talking about the 1% as if their wealth is a problem. It's not. It's that that wealth is not being adequately recycled into the country that produced it, forcing everybody else to pay more, somehow, or for the country to borrow money.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    Mr.P: We essentially have a flat tax now of 39.6% on the greatest income because that is the top rate starting out at a way too low top bracket of >$450,000/yr. We need more brackets with higher rates. Leave the 39.6% for income over $450,000 but increase the rate at something around $700,000/yr. Then keep adding brackets up to income >$4,000,000/yr, which would be taxed at a top (flat) rate of 70%. We've done it your way for far too long. We're not going make it worse on the wrong-headed idea that more of what's given us out present bad situation (and getting worse) will make things better. We're not fools.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 1:26 pm

    DS: Don't you read my replies? I've already refuted your point. Don't repeat it without responding.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 7:28 am

    The majority now agree with Scott, including over 70 percent of independents.

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  • DanielDecember 27, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Obama makes Clinton look like Mother Teresa, at least Clinton's were 1/2 truths which didn't directly affect us. In comparrison, Obama just doesn't care to even try, he's too arogant even when his outrageous lies affect each one of our lives directly.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 7:39 am

    Daniel, the only ones left that say they trust him are those that aren't paying attention and those that have been such overt defenders and can't find a way to save face.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 8:48 am

    Mr.P: Now you KNOW that isn't true. You just haven't come up with enough evidence of lying. Mr. Clark produced a list of statements that turned out not to describe reality, but that's all it is. A mistake is not a lie, a fictional tale is not a lie, a metaphor is not a lie. There are lots of untrue utterances that are not lies. Take out the sycophants and "unaware," and you have lots of people like me. I'm critical of Obama when he deserves it, like continuing to violate our right to privacy in the name of national security, but I'm careful about calling anyone a liar.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 8:56 am

    rlw, I was referring to the issue of trust. The rest is simply determining what the definition of "is" is.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Mr.P: Indeed you were, and there is a difference. My mistake. So let's move on to "is" for trust. To be trustworthy, a person has to do four things: Tell the truth, keep promises, hold confidences, and admit to and make good on mistakes. Would you add anything to that list? A person doesn't have to be a liar to be untrustworthy.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 9:35 am

    rlw, I'm good with your criteria. Obama has violated all of them at times. The lying thing is one of those vicious circle arguments. I believe on some issues, he lied. You can believe what you want. It really doesn't matter. The original point is that the majority don't trust him and for me, anyone who does, is either not paying attention or is holding on to previous commitments of support.

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Mr.P: Don't we all. The issue then becomes whether we are correctly understood and forgiven or not. I AM inclined to be more understanding and to forgive a Democratic president because I'm a Democrat. But if you have Obama dead to rights, I will concede the point. Still waiting. We know from "the list" that Obama has not always told the truth. Big whoop. The point is, as time has gone on, he has come clean much more often than not. And I use "come clean" neutrally. He typically decides to explain to the nation after he has been pounded for a while by the right wing media, members of congress, and the rest of the "vast right-wing conspiracy." The "you can keep your health plan" error is a good example. Contrast that with W's coming clean on no WMDs in Iraq to justify our invasion. Did you miss it? Nope. It wasn't there. On a 1 to 100 scale, I would say starting a war is 100 while misinterpreting the ACA is about a 10.

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  • Danny BuntinDecember 27, 2013 - 8:28 am

    @MR P: That 70 percent you quote also includes the people(ME) that do not want the insurance industry involved in the equation - single payer people. Not just the people that are told not to like it. I do not include you in that group, I am referring to the ""What about Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi!!!!" people.

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  • Mr. PracticalDecember 27, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    Danny, there are a dozen other bigger issues effecting the cost of healthcare than the insurance companies. They're just the easiest target.

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  • CD BrooksDecember 27, 2013 - 7:44 am

    I'd do it for nothing but if he's got some Manilow tix laying around...

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  • Mr. SmithDecember 27, 2013 - 9:22 am

    So here it is: The RLW Axiom: 'Obama never lies. He is incapable of lying. Mistakes are not lies, and Obama is merely mistake-prone.' That, and the explanation of how the super intelligent media, academics and Hollywood crowd got so screwed up, have made my day! Thanks, RLW. Now if you will excuse me, I have to get to an independent-thinking seminar led by Lindsey Lohan and Alec Baldwin. LOL!

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 9:39 am

    Mr.S: You doth extrapolate too much! I've noticed you're inclined to that.

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  • Mr. SmithDecember 27, 2013 - 10:06 am

    RLW: Just my feeble attempt a some holiday humor. Some say extrapolation is the highest form of flattery!

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  • 9/11 was an inside jobDecember 27, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Why was Santa's little helper depressed? ............................... Because he had low elf esteem.

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  • Mr. SmithDecember 27, 2013 - 10:19 am

    No need for Bush to "come clean" on the WMD's. It was a mistake (as for as we know).

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  • rlw895December 27, 2013 - 10:53 am

    I give Bush the benefit of doubt. He said it was faulty intelligence. But he never said the war was a mistake, despite its justification being bogus. That's what we needed to hear. Until a mistake is acknowledged, corrections won't be made and reputation restored. We're still suffering from that one.

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  • ?December 27, 2013 - 2:19 pm

    Before you can talk about the 1 percent, it’s important to put the figures into perspective by understanding exactly what that figure means. The average annual income of the top 1 percent of the population is $717,000, compared to the average income of the rest of the population, which is around $51,000. The real disparity between the classes isn’t in income, however, but in net value: The 1 percent are worth about $8.4 million, or 70 times the worth of the lower classes. The 1 percent are executives, doctors, lawyers and politicians, among other things. Within this group of people is an even smaller and wealthier subset of people, 1 percent of the top, or .01 percent of the entire nation. Those people have incomes of over $27 million, or roughly 540 times the national average income. Altogether, the top 1 percent control 43 percent of the wealth in the nation; the next 4 percent control an additional 29 percent.

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  • rDecember 27, 2013 - 4:15 pm

    Thank you for that. The top 1% family income starts at about $400,000 per year. We are now at historic highs for percent of national income flowing to the top 1%. Again, I don't see that in of itself as a problem. The problem is with our relatively flat income tax, we are not capturing enough of that income or the resultant wealth to maintain the American Dream for even our middle class. A progressive tax system, in addition to taking the tax burden off the middle class, has some corrective effect on income and wealth distribution. I would say that a good goal would be for the top 1% to be getting around 10% of the national income. Right now it's over 20% and growing.

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  • http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneywisewomen/2012/03/21/average-america-vs-the-one-percent/December 27, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    You are welcome ( just a little )

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