Mr Smith: Mike does not believe it is having a negative effect on jobs in this country. Remember the White House press came out and said 2.5 millions people leaving the workforce because of Obamacare is a good thing.
M.S. and R.M., If you read the Budget Office report instead of believing the Foxed-up hype, you will see that 2 - 2.5 million people may voluntarily reduce their hours or move to another job because now they have the freedom to move or reduce their hours without losing their healthcare. If somebody moves from their job or reduces their hours and the employer needs more help because of that, he/she will hire another person. It would actually get more people working. Thank you, Obamacare for helping the economy. The jobs don't vaporize. What part of that don't you get?
Mike by voluntary reducing their hours so they can get Obamecare will just give the government more control over their lives and lead us down the road to socialism. Why you may ask because people lose the incentive to work and let the government take care of them. This is what all of you liberal progressive socialist like your self want.
I'm sure you're not incapable of understanding that a person may, just may want to work fewer than 40 hours a week or may want to change jobs, right? And you call that giving the government "more control over their lives"? Laughable, except when people believe it. That makes it sad. It really doesn't make sense, does it, when you try to put Fox's lies into your own words. That should give you a raging clue.
Mike: so tell me when people voluntarily work less they will not get their medical coverage from their employer any more so they sign up for Obamacare and still have coverage great but who is going to pay for that coverage. it's not the worker that works less it is the worker that works a full time job in the form of higher taxes?
Just so we are clear here, are you now saying that the 2.5 million Foxian "job loss" is a lie and you now want to move on to who will pay for health care when a person voluntarily cuts their work hours ?
Mike I did not get this from Fox News I got these numbers from a article from frobes and what about what jay carney said 2.5 million workers leaving the work force because of obamacare is a good thing this must be true because the Obama White House does not tell lies
Mike: Who in heck "voluntarily" cuts their work hours (except for maybe medical interns and, of course, the Europeans)? Most American workers will gladly grab overtime when they can get it. Step away from the kool-aide!
Mike is right to a small extent regarding the CBO's report. However, the reduced hours will result in some employers not refilling those hours which is in effect job loss. The relative number of jobs lost is an unknown at this point. Ramirez' is right on point overall and it's far from being a lie. The ACA has already cost jobs from those employers paring down to get under 50 employees in anticipation of the employer mandate and by those approaching 50 that aren't hiring because they can't afford to hit 50 employees. Many of those already provide healthcare and paying for half is fairly standard. The employer mandate specifies that the employee's contribution, to be deemed affordable under the law, cannot be more than 9.5 percent of their income. If those employers hit 50 and have to comply, thier contributions will have to increase, in many cases to as much as 90 percent. This would put many out of business. Other small businesses (below 50 employees) that were providing healthcare have laid people off because they cannot afford the increase in premiums due to the essential benefits mandates. We also have lost jobs due to businesses not hiring due to the uncertainty of the law. The real damage will start when the employer mandate goes in to effect. The law is an abject failure on most every level. For Mike to say that it's a lie that Obamacare is not killing jobs is the real lie. As bad as the job loss is, particularly at this time, the following is the real sad result. Recently, Covered California announced that nearly one million have enrolled. They also announced that only 17% were previously uninsured. That means that we have 170,000 that have insurance that didn't before. We know that more than 1.1 million received cancellations due to the essential benefits mandate and that only 1/3 of those have been able to procure coverage. That means that we now have about 650,000 that were insured that now aren't covered. Deduct from that the 170,000 that now have coverage and we have 480,000 less people insured since October 1 when Covered California opened for business. But apparently, Mike doesn't care if people die.
Something else for Mike to chew on... The 83 percent that enrolled in the exchanges that were previously insured were managing to pay for there insurance before. We are now providing them subsidies with taxpayer dollars. Many of them being those same individuals that were cancelled and have been unable to afford to obtain coverage. How's that for a disturbing bit of irony.
Mr. Practical: Thanks for your solid research and participation on this board. By now, it should be obvious to anyone who follows these comments that Mike, and to some extent CD and RLW, are hopelessly lost in the need to defend all things Obama. Even when it means spinning the mother of all whoppers to keep the liberal kool-aide flowing and demean those of us (the lowly Foxophiles) who dare disagree with them. Like I have said before: Who ya gonna believe--Mike, CD and RLW--or your lyin' eyes (and ears)?
Mr. Smith, if you were paying attention you'd recognize that I spend more time condemning those of you chastising the president with your lame-brained concocted quotes from other lame-brained orators than I do actually supporting him. Your enthusiastic desire to ruin him supersedes your ability to separate fact from fiction. Any person that actually says "spin trumps context" has lost what little sense they might ever have had in the first place. Good grief man, you are in way over your head! Enjoy for now it will only hurt worse down the road…
Very good points Mr. Practical....exactly what I was thinking that last post....Have you stocked up on Food? More and more it makes me think a collapse is imminent. Wikipedia....Russian famine of 1921...Lenin confiscated the crops of the peasants and some ended up choosing which of their children to eat.....I am not making this up...most of the peasants eventually died. This is what happens with Government FORCED redistribution schemes. Repeal Obamacare.....but also remember Clinton/Bush got us into expensive wars, also a big contributing factor.
Congats, Mr. P. You make sense to StR. Apparently one percent of the workforce doesn't want to work as many hours as they do. I know that everybody on Fox finds that hard to believe, but it's true. Continue freaking out out, you seem ti enjoy it.
Mike, if you actually believe that subsidizing able-bodied Americans not to work is a good idea you've gone completely off the deep end. If you think healthcare reform that provides access to some while taking access away from many more is a good thing, you've not only gone off the deep end, you've hit your head on the diving board on he way down.
I'm here, but haven't we been over all of this before? It's like every time a new spin comes out from the right, you pile on and we have to go over it all again. It seems like it was a year ago that Mr.P and I came to an agreement that the 50 employee "wall" was a problem. The solution for Mr.P is to repeal the law. The solution for me is to amend the law to "soften" the "wall" by using some sort of sliding scale from 50 to, say, 100 employees so that small businesses don't have to make what are otherwise irrational decisions regarding employees just to best meet the ACA requirements. But an amendment requires a cooperative congress. The upshot is Obama does what he can, and that is delay the employer mandate. As for the job loss question, no one knows for sure yet, but this recent 2.5 million figure has been discussed ad nauseum. Only stupid people really believe it's job loss. You're not stupid, so you know better. What you're doing is treating us like we're stupid. What kind of reaction do you expect?
RLW and CD: You didn't address what I was referring to--namely, Mike's promotion of the Whitehouse talking point that losing jobs or hours is actually a good thing somehow. I have not been able to accept that just yet. Give me time.
Mr. Kirchubel, you sure do ask a lot of questions for a guy from Fairfield....You guys better get your eyebrows under control......What are ya tryin' to do, make me sick?......You need to get a room...
Mike: Yuk, yuk. Of course we don't profit! It's that fraction of the 1% that cares more about preserving and enhancing their wealth than their country that profits (and their minions). They will always be with us in a free-market economy. The best we can do is contain them by voting for Democrats like Elizabeth Warren.
"When the tides of life turn against you..........
And the current upsets your boat..............
Don't waste those tears on what might have been;..........
Just lay on your back and float."............
Mr. Smith, for the record I have always said since day one, that the ACA would need some tweaking but it would work itself out. I've never wavered on that point but you clearly don't understand what you read. There are always bumps in the road and I acknowledged that as well. I'm still not convinced it has or will go down in flames as you might hope.
Mr. Smith (AKA Low Information Voter)February 11, 2014 - 12:36 pm
Foxism of the Day (For the Three Amigos): "Democrats declare war on work!" It's finally here and staring us right in the face, folks. The liberal dream of a big-government, complete takeover of America. Why work when the government has your back, providing for all your needs? Here's a news flash for the Amigos: REAL MEN are happiest when they are in a stable, job-oriented lifestyle. That gives them the incentive to enjoy life more fully, date, marry, perhaps have children, contribute to the community, etc. The Dems war on work, if successful, will destroy what we now know as the American way of life.
" the War on work" thank you for posting the latest Foxism..That's hilarious. Sorry i missed it today, but im sure i can catch up any time in the next few weeks. They tend to grab hold of some sky and then never let go. As if repetition ad nauseum is a suitable replacement for truth. Seems to work. Right?
Mr.S: Don't let your brain be lulled by FOX slogans, especially when they are so silly. Rot will set in. You keep in ignoring the fact-check column I cited. I'm staring to worry about your objectivity;-)!